Welcome to Episode 14 of the True Crime Review Podcast. This is a True Crime Audio episode, presenting primary source audio (complete with full transcript below) from the trial of Dennis Lynn Rader, who called himself BTK, which stands for “bind, torture, kill.”

This episode is actually the first of a two-part series on B.T.K. and presents his court room confession. The next episode, episode 15, will be a standard episode including news updates and a cold case. Episode 16, our next True Crime Audio episode, will include Rader’s own sentencing mitigation statement and, most importantly, several victim impact statements read aloud in court, in Rader’s presence, by the people whose lives were affected by Rader’s evil.

We go now to the June 27, 2005 confession of Dennis Rader, a.k.a. B.T.K.

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This has been Episode 14 of the True Crime Review Podcast.

This was part one of a two part True Crime Audio series about Dennis Rader, a.k.a. BTK. This episode was the killer’s court room confession.

The next True Crime Audio installment of the True Crime Review Podcast will be Episode 16.

It will include Rader’s sentencing mitigation statement and, most importantly, several victim impact statements made in court by those affected by the evil serial killer’s homicidal acts.

The following is a transcript from the court proceeding which occurred on June 27, 2005 in the Eighteenth Judicial District Court, Sedgwick County, Kansas, Docket Number 05-CR498.

In the Eighteenth Judicial District

District Court, Sedgwick County, Kansas

Criminal Department

Case No. 05 – CR498

Transcript of Pleas of Guilty

Proceedings had before the Honorable Gregory L. Waller, Judge of Division 5 of the Eighteenth Judicial Districtof Kansas, on June 27, 2005.

Murder of the Otero Family

The Defendant: On January 15th, 1974, I maliciously, intentionally and premeditation killed Joseph Otero. Count Two –

The Court: All right. Mr. Rader, I need to find out more information. On that particular day, the 15th day of January, 1974, can you tell me where you went to kill Mr. Joseph Otero?

The Defendant: Mmm, I think it’s 1834 Edgemoor.

The Court: All right. Can you tell me approximately what time of day you went there?

The Defendant: Somewhere between 7:00 and 7:30.

The Court: This particular location, did you know these people?

The Defendant: No. That’s – (Off-the-record discussion between the defendant and Ms. McKinnon.) No, that was part of my – I guess my what you call fantasy. These people were selected.

The Court: All right. So you — (Off-the-record discussion between the defendant and Ms. McKinnon.)

The Court: — you were engaged in some kind of fantasy during this period of time?

The Defendant: Yes, sir.

The Court: All right. Now, where you use the term “fantasy,” is this something you were doing for your personal pleasure?

The Defendant: Sexual fantasy, sir.

The Court: I see. So you went to this residence, and what occurred then?

The Defendant: Well, I had – did some thinking on what I was going to do to either Mrs. Otero or Josephine, and basically broke into the house –or didn’t break into the house, but when they came out of the house I came in and confronted the family, and then we went from there.

Clarification: Due to poor writing and unclear reading, it sounds like I say Erica Parsons disappeared in 2017 around 20:m 45s. I meant that we should see charges against her adoptive parents in 2017. Erica disappeared in 2011.

Note: True Crime Review is currently a scripted podcast. That means I write out what I intend to say prior to recording. However, I will occasionally add or remove stuff while recording or while editing. So the below isn’t a transcript, just a rough script of what I said in the episode. 

Experiments

This episode contains some of the same experiments I did in Episode 11. Please let me know what you think via the post comments, email, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, or voicemail (another experiment I’ll announce in an upcoming episode) at 724-24-CRIME.

1. The title: I’ve been trying to put as many victims’ names in the title as I can but at some point it just becomes too long. Once again, I’m focusing the title on the featured cold case. This partially to prevent crazy-long titles and partially to bring extra attention to the featured cold case because most if not all of the other crimes discussed are either under active investigation or have been solved and are awaiting prosecution.
2. I read the intro this week instead of using the creepy augmented voice I’ve used previously. Back to the creepy voice. I know some people don’t like it, but I do. You can easily skip it if you want.
3. Once again I’ve inserted bumpers between main segments of the show. It’s a few notes of melancholy, mysterious-sounding strings taken from Ofelia’s Dream by Benjamin Tissot.
4. No background music in this episode. I did an initial edit with the background music left in, but I find it distracting. It was originally a way to mask the fact that I didn’t have a real mic. Now that I do, I don’t think I need the music anymore.

Intro

Welcome to True Crime Review, an unflinching gaze into the depths of human depravity.

The podcast covers current crime news, updates on cold cases and resources for research and investigation.

True Crime Review often discusses disturbing and violent crimes, so listener discretion is advised.

Show Updates

Patreon

I officially have THREE Patreon subscribers, and I want to thank Leo, Jan and Deborah for their generous patronage. I’m already working on the first Patreon exclusive episode, which you can get for just a dollar a month. Go to patreon.com/truecrimereview if you’re considering patronage and have a look at all of the rewards.

I want to report that I said I’d do a dance after my first patron, and I did the dance. I decided it was in the best interests of all of us that there would be no video or GIF of that dance, but I wanted to tell you it happened.

Reviews

I’ve had a bunch of five star iTunes reviews since the last episode, so I want to thank those folks, who are Jena-Bug, lanl, Foggy Star, Naty9917 and Lislucy. Five-star reviews help the show get more exposure, so if you think it deserves a positive review, I hope you’ll consider leaving one.

Podcast Recommendation

Twisted Philly is a podcast by Philly native Deana Marie, “about mischief and mayhem in the city of brotherly love.” The show isn’t exclusively about true crime, but it’s featured often

Introduction

No script here, and I think no script will be the norm for these True Crime Audio episodes, since I do hardly any talking. In fact, I didn’t do any story-specific talking in this episode. The only non-archival speaking is done by a text-to-speech app which reads the information quoted below:

On August 20, 2013, a shooting and hostage situation occurred at Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy, an elementary school in the district. A man with an AK-47 entered the school’s front office and barricaded himself. He fired six shots at approaching police officers outside, who returned fire. Nobody was injured. The school’s students were evacuated. Antoinette Tuff, a school bookkeeper, later received a call from President Obama praising her for her courage while talking to the shooter; police credited her calmness and kindness toward him with convincing him to surrender without shooting anyone. – Wikipedia

This episode contains Antoinette Tuff’s 911 call, book-ended with material from news reports and other sources, which are all listed below.

Sources

Audio and Video

• Raw: Full Georgia school shooting 911 call with Antoinette Tuff
• Antoinette Tuff: I’d like to visit shooter – YouTube
• Ga. school gunman had nearly 500 rounds of ammo – YouTube
• Atlanta School Shooting Alleged Gunman, Michael Brandon Hill, Wanted News to Film ‘As Police Die’ – YouTube
• Antoinette Tuff First Responders Honored for Collaborative Success Peaceful Outcome – YouTube
• Bookkeeper who talked down school gunman reunites with 911 dispatcher – YouTube
• School Clerk Helps Shooting Suspect Surrender – YouTube
• School shooting tragedy averted in Ga. – YouTube
• School shooting tragedy averted in Ga. – YouTube
• Decatur Georgia Elementary School Shooting – YouTube
• School shooting in Decatur Georgia at Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy (August 20, 2013) – YouTube
• Antoinette Tuff: Prepared for a Purpose – YouTube
• Antoinette Tuff: God put me there to help – YouTube
• Exclusive: Pres. Obama on Antoinette Tuff – YouTube
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVpipSXRKAapp=desktop

Articles

• Antoinette Tuff – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• Georgia school shooting: Antoinette Tuff hailed as hero – CNN.com
• How One Woman’s Faith Stopped A School Shooting : NPR

Editor’s Note

This episode contains some experiments. I was so focused on research and writing for this episode that I forgot to mention any of the following on the recording. Please let me know via the post comments, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook or VOICEMAIL (another experiment I’ll announce in an upcoming episode) at 724-24-CRIME.

1. The title: I’ve been trying to put as many victims’ names in the title as I can but at some point it just becomes too long. This time I’m focusing the title on the featured cold case. This partially to prevent crazy-long titles and partially to bring extra attention to the featured cold case because most if not all of the other crimes discussed are either under active investigation or have been solved and are awaiting prosecution.
2. I read the intro this week instead of using the creepy augmented voice I’ve used previously.
3. I’ve added bumpers between main segments of the show. It’s a few notes of melancholy, mysterious-sounding strings taken from Ofelia’s Dream by Benjamin Tissot.
4. No background music in this episode.

Intro

Welcome to True Crime Review, an unflinching gaze into the depths of human depravity.

The podcast covers current crime news, updates on cold cases and resources for research and investigation.

True Crime Review often discusses disturbing and violent crimes, so listener discretion is advised.

Reviews

The following awesome people left five-star review on iTunes recently:

• From the US: Bossypants16, Lo5972, Dirty713 and jlevesque
• From the UK: Rita 2015 and S3ano222
• From Australia: JodiJaseph

Thanks to everyone who has left a review, I read them all and take the feedback into consideration, even when it hurts. Especially when it hurts. But the five-star reviews will always get a quick shout-out here because who doesn’t love getting five stars for something they’ve done?

Show Updates

Patreon

We have a Patreon! As soon as I have my first patron I’m going to start doing a Patreon-exclusive extra episode every month. Just $1 a month gets you access to that feed. That money will always go into the podcast and you can read more about how over at the Patreon page, patreon.com/truecrimereview.

Find other ways to support us, including using our Amazon affiliate link, which costs you NOTHING, at truecrimereview.net/support.

Update on Chris Zahl, covered in Ep. 4

Someone named Rich Laue posted the following comment on the YouTube video of episode 4:

As a friend of Chris Zahl I can add a little more. He had found an out of the way field in a Monmouth County Park off of Red Hill Road about 2 miles from the farm, to grow his weed.. He contended this was for medical research, but spent time in jail. The PI, hired by Friends of Chris, feels his disappearance is related to the pot growing, considering that all they found was the items you mentioned, almost ones costly felt it was murder. The car had been sanitized, no dirt, hair or fingerprints could be found to identify who he might have been with or where the vehicle might have gone. . His brother is not a suspect, the farm was thoroughly searched, including the pond. The mother who our lives there husband’s has since sold the farm and lives in Red Bank. Texas also was brought into the investagation, but I’m not sure why.

Go have a listen to Episode 4 for more info and while you’re there you can read the info I included in the original story I did on Chris Zahl.

No script for Ep. 10, just a big list ‘o sources.

• Clip from Horizonte about Forde sentencing
• Clip from PBS debate featuring Shawna Forde
• KVOA: Leader of ‘Minuteman’ Group Arrested for Murder
• Photo Essay: Why Brisenia Flores Matters | Crooks and Liars
• Fellow Inmate Speaks: Jodi Arias ‘Concerned’ About Admitting ‘Fog’ Lifted During Murder –– She’s ‘Docile’ With Crooked Teeth – Radar Online
• Shawna Forde | Death Row Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia
• Death of Shawna Forde associate in Everett is a mystery | HeraldNet.com
• Jodi Arias update: Death row inmate pens tell-all about convicted murderer – ABC15 Arizona
• Shawna Forde Sentenced to Death | Psychology Today
• State of Arizona v. Shawna Forde, – CourtListener.com
• sandiego.org/stories/hell-followed-minuteman-leader-shawna-forde/">‘Hell Followed’ Minuteman Leader Shawna Forde | La Prensa San Diego
• Shawna Forde death sentence: Ariz. anti-immigrant activist condemned to die for killing father, daughter – CBS News
• Shawna Forde death sentence: Ariz. anti-immigrant activist condemned to die for killing father, daughter – CBS News
• Seattle News and Events | Cover Story: Lethally Blonde
• Murders of Raul and Brisenia Flores – Wikipedia
• shawna.htm">Shawna Forde | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers
• ‘Minutemen’ Vigilante Shawna Forde Sentenced to Death in Deadly Arizona Home Invasion – ABC News
• (1) Free Shawna Forde
• Justice for Shawna Forde
• forde-guilty-of-murder-exclusive-interview-with-arizona-minuteman.html">Shawna Forde Guilty of Murder: Exclusive Interview with Arizona Minuteman – The Daily Beast
• How the Brutal Murders of a Little Girl and Her Father Doomed the Xenophobic Minuteman Movement | Alternet
• Arizona vigilante found guilty of murd

I know it took a long time, but here it is, Episode 9. Don’t forget to save a friend from a bland TCR-less life by telling them to subscribe!

Shout-outs

• Revbom0z7: Love this podcast

  So informative and loving the emergency calls being added in at times. It gives a real insight to each story and I look forward to each episode being uploaded. Keep up the great work!

• Rebexster13: Just gets better

  It’s a new podcast. The first few episodes are not as good. But even so every one improves. A lot of stuff that isn’t covered on other podcasts. So even if you listen to 100 others, this is a must add. Xoxo.

• BlueJeep: Wonderful true crime podcast!

  Love the host and the content! What I don’t love: the creepy intro… (sorry!)

• HaleyBaley93: Review of True Crime Review

  I’m a huge fan of this podcast. Joe finds the best stories to talk about. He isn’t discussing the same story every other podcast has discussed. He is going to the depths on the internet (page 2 and on!) to find great stories for his listeners. Also, Joe is a great writer. He’s so eloquent with his words. The True Crime Review is to die for. All around great podcast I’m proud to be a subscriber of. Keep up the great work! TL;DR – Joe writes reeeal good. Finds unique stories. Great podcast. Must listen.

Updates

Gordon Semple

• Brizzi convicted in UK: I expected this because the evidence was overwhelming.

Elizabeth Griffith, Stacey Stanley and Candice Cunningham

• Remains identified as Candice Cunningham in Grate case:

Prosecutor Bambi Couch Page previously said Grate confessed to killing Cunningham in June at the vacant Madison Township house, which was destroyed by a suspicious fire on June 20 or 21.

Cunningham’s body was recovered at the rear of the house in a wooded area, down a ravine.

In the Ashland case, the bodies of Stacey Stanley, 43, and Elizabeth Griffith, 29, were recovered in an abandoned house at 363 Covert Court near the downtown.

Preliminary autopsy reports indicate both women were strangled.

Grate has also been implicated in Rebekah Leicy’s death and that of Marion County Jane Doe, whose body was found in 2007.

• Shawn Grate items advertised online for sale: I don’t support “murderbelia” sales unless the seller donates all proceeds to the victim’s family, a victim advocacy organization, or another worthy cause. To profit from selling items related to a murder or a murderer is among the “depths of human depravity” I was thinking about when coming up with this show’s tagline.

News

Anastasia Duval

• Murder charges re-filed against Hawaii woman in twin’s SUV cliff-plunge death

In May,

Alexandria was driving a Ford Explorer on Hana Highway on May 29 with her sister Anastasia in the passenger seat when the SUV crashed into a rock wall, plunging about 200 feet onto a rocky shoreline during what was described as a hair-pulling fight over the steering wheel.

Alexandria was injured but her sis

Introduction

Thanks to these folks for offering kind words on Facebook and iTunes:

• Carol
• Laura
• Dianne
• FernandaMe
• Jayne
• blondesx40x

I updated the big giant enormous list of true crime podcasts at truecrimereview.net/the-list. There are more than 100 true crime podcasts on that list, and it’s growing all the time. Which leads me to…

Podcast Recommendation

There’s no excuse for me not to tell you about a new podcast on every episode I do, considering I could do a recommendation every week for almost two and a half years without repeating myself.

Sooo this week I’m recommending you add Curiosity Kills (RSS link) to your listening rotation. Two intelligent, irreverent, funny women taking advantage of the acoustic enclosure of an automobile to record great conversations about true crime. The Facebook fan group is also awesome so consider joining that, too.

It’s a closed group but that’s just for the privacy of the members (aka so your friends and family on’t know you study murder). They’ll let you in with the quickness, just ask.

Now for the News.

News

The Murder of Gordon Semple

50-year-old Stefano Brizzi is on trial for the murder of 59-year-old Metropolitan Police Constable Gordon Semple, whom he met through the gay dating app Grindr. Brizzi is accused of strangling Semple to death before attempting to dispose of, and possible eat, the victim’s body.

BBC News reports Semple’s DNA was located on a blender blade, a cooking pot and other kitchen items. Authorities found bite marks on a bone fragment retrieved from Brizzi’s kitchen trash can.

Police discovered the gruesome scene on April 7, 2016 following complaints by neighbors of a revolting smell. The prosecutor said during the trial, which is ongoing, that responding officers found “bottles of chemicals scattered in the hall and “blue-green liquid” in the bath with “flesh-coloured globules floating in the water.”

Brizzi says he did not intentionally kill Semple, instead telling authorities his death was accidental, as a result of a “sex game gone wrong.” But I find it hard to believe someone who can say the following about someone would pass up the opportunity to kill:

As you can see, this man was a very big man and all I have left is two buckets.

Follow the BBC’s coverage of the ongoing trial by searching “BBC gordon semple” on your search engine of choice.

Words from Semple’s family and friends on his death, as published by KentNews.co.uk:

In a statement, Pc Semple’s brother, Ronnie Semple, said: “On behalf of Gordon’s partner Gary, my wife Maureen, Gordon’s nephew Paul, niece Kerry and I, I would like to thank everyone for their kind thoughts during the past dreadful week. It has been a terrible time for us all, especially Gary.”

He added: “Gordon will be sadly missed by all of his immediate family, his colleagues in the Met Police, former Bank of Scotland colleagues in Inverness and London, friends from his ‘Tartan Army’ days, but most of all the hardest loss is for Gary at this time.

“Gordon was a much-loved partner, brother, brother-in-law, uncle and cousin, and our world will be a worse place without him.”

Friends remembered Pc Semple as a “great chara

Episode Introduction

A quick technical note before we get into the substance of Episode 7. This is an Emergency Audio episode. These episodes include at least one Emergency Audio call or similar audio like police radio traffic (this one actually includes both). I try to keep length reasonable, but, at least so far, I haven’t cut out any audio from the calls or recordings. However, I do edit them for listenability by doing some noise reduction and other enhancements.

There are much longer censorship BEEPS in the original files. Those beeps are like nightmares for your ears, especially if you’re rocking earbuds. So I take the volume way down and make them much shorter. So, while I cut no substance from the audio, you can still find the original files for all Emergency Audio episodes at true crime review dot net slash nine one one.

There are two nine one one calls in this episode, with about twenty eight minutes of police radio traffic about the shooting between those calls. I’ve included chapters you should be able to use to skip between the different audio, but if you don’t like this set-up feel free to let me know.

Case Introduction

CBS reports Jesse Osborne had been home schooled after being suspended for bringing a weapon to school. According to WSPA news Osborne had brought a hatchet to West-Oak Middle School some time in 2015. UK newspaper The Daily Mail adds that Osborne had also brought a machete to school during that incident.

There is also elementary-school-honor-roll-for-the-first-semester-ep-361372831-347650471.html">compelling evidence Osborne had once attended the elementary school he targeted in this shooting.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 14-year-old Osborne shot his father Jeffrey to death in their Townville, South Carolina home using a handgun. He then drove to Townville Elementary School where he called called his grandparents on their mobile phone, “sobbing and mumbling unintelligibly” as CNN reported. His grandparents decided to check on the home, next door to their own, where their son and grandson lived. They found their 47-year-old son Jeffrey dead.

Osborne had driven his Dodge Ram truck three miles from his home and onto school property and jumped a fence to access a playground. One minute after making the phone call to his grandparents, shortly before 2PM, Osborne opened fire on the playground, hitting two children and a teacher. Two teachers called Emergency Audio and seven minutes later law enforcement descended on the school.

Osborne was apprehended at the scene by volunteer firefighter Jamie Brock, who the NY Daily News reported had been working with fire Chief Billy McAdams on his farm when they were notified about the shooting. Brock arrived on the scene before police and subdued Osborne before he could enter the school. Osborne was subsequently arrested.

This week’s Emergency Audio episode is dedicated to first-grader Jacob Hall, who was among the three people shot by Osborne that day. Jacob, the only fatality, died of brain injuries caused by cardiopulmonary arrest resulting from blood loss he suffered when a bullet ruptured the femoral artery in his leg. Jacob fought like one of the superheroes he loved so much but on October 1, 2016 at about 1:00 PM, at the age of six, only three days after being shot by J

Introduction

1. I know I skipped a week. I’m sorry. I’m not happy about it either.
2. Correction: Victoria Martens’ rapists and killers, who I’ll remind you included her mother, who had arranged several rapes of her own daughter previously and who enjoyed watching the rapes take place, pleaded NOT guilty to all charges; Source
3. I’m covering two news stories instead of four or five this time and covering them in more depth. Let me know what you think.

News

Killers of Victoria Martens will go on trial in October 2017

LINK

Newscasters obtained police interview transcripts and 911 audio but I couldn’t find the audio itself or the transcripts, only stories quoting bits and pieces of them. If I find them I’ll let you know, and if you find them, hopefully you’ll do the same.

Here is an excerpt from the news article about the transcripts, and they’ll be a link to that article in the show notes:

She told detectives she watched Gonzales and Kelley sexually assault Victoria at least three times in the days before the murder. She also said she suspected Gonzales had been sexually assaulting her daughter for a month while she was at work.

One detective asks, “This time she died and you weren’t ready for the type of animals these people were?”

Martens replied “Yes, but I should have stopped it.”

She then told police she enjoyed watching men have sex with Victoria. She admitted to letting two other men have sex with her daughter over the past six months. She named both the men.

Albuquerque police will not say if those two men have been questioned.

Shawn Grate sends letters to news woman Megan Hickey

LINK

Shawn Grate was recently charged with 23 counts, including two counts of murder and one count of kidnapping. Listen to Episode 4.5 to hear the 911 calls from the woman who survived her abduction by Grate and got him arrested.

From his first letter:

Grate’s first letter responded to a request from Hickey asking for an on-camera interview. “That sounds scary in facing myself even more,” Grate wrote. “The mirror has been enough but having even more questions hitting me straight on could and would only help to understand me better.”

From his second letter:

“They were already dead, just their bodies were flopping wherever it can flop but their minds were already dead! The state took their minds. Once they started receiving their monthly checks.” Grate said “government assistance” took his victim’s “minds.” He said he applied for government assistance five years ago and received $197 on a food card that he used for a year and a half. He found work making handcrafted signs. “Never was able to receive any encouragement, though many bodies received 700,” he wrote. Grate uses the words “people,” “bodies” and “victims” interchangeably.

Reaction of authorities to Hickey’s offer of the letters as evidence:

“Do what you want with the letters,” a member of the support staff said over the phone. In a subsequent email, Special Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Mark Weaver told New

This Emergency Audio episode includes the audio from the 911 call made by an unnamed female kidnapping victim of Shawn Grate, who has since [been tied to as many as five homicides][11]. I drastically reduced the volume of the ear-shattering “beeeeeeps” authorities inserted to censor personal information and compressed the audio to remove clipping.

The transcript is included below.

Dispatcher: 911, What is the address to your emergency?

**Victim: (Inaudible)**

D: What is it?

**V: (Inaudible) Fourth Street laundry mat**

D: What’s your name? How do you spell your last name? Who abducted you?

**V: Shawn (Inaudible)**

D: You said John Green?

**V: Shawn Grates**

D: Where’s he at now?

**V: Asleep**

D: Where’s he sleeping at?

**V: In the bedroom**

D: In what bedroom?

**V: There’s two houses right by the laundry mat and it’s in one of those houses**

D: But you’re at the laundry mat?

**V: No, I’m in the bedroom with him**

D: What color is the house? If I’m looking at the laundry mat, which way is it?

**V: If you’re looking at the laundry mat it’s the one of the left of the two**

D: You don’t know what color the house is?

**V: No. I’m sorry.**

D: Does he have a car?

**V: (Inaudible)**

D: So you think it’s a yellow house?

**V: I think so**

D: It’s an apartment?

**V: No it’s a house**

D: Does he own the house?

**V: No he broke in**

D: Does anybody actually live there?

**V: No it’s been abandoned**

D: And his name is Shawn Grate?

**V: Yes**

D: Does he have a weapon?

**V: He’s got a Taser**

D: Where do you live? What does he look like? Is he a white man or black man? Is he 6’ or is he shorter than that? Do you know how much he weighs?

**V: Maybe 6’ probably 175**

D: Are you injured?

**V: A little**

D: What color is his hair?

**V: Brown**

D: Do you know what color his eyes are?

**V: No**

D: What is he wearing?

**V: Nothing right now**

D: OK stay on the phone with me. Stay on the line with me, OK? Is he still sleeping?

**V: Yes**

D: where did he take you from?

**V: My apartment, I mean I was walking with him**

D: You were walking with him?

**V: Mhmmm**

D: Where were you walking to?

**V: I’ve known him for like a month and a half**

D: Is there any way you can get out of the building?

**V: I don’t know without waking him and I’m scared**

D: Is there a bathroom in the house?

**V: His bedroom is closed and he made it so it would make noise**

D: If you told him you had to go to the bathroom he would do something to you?

**V: Yeah. Because he had me tied up**

D: Are you tied up now?

**V: Yeah but I kind of freed myself**

D: Is he in the same room as you?

**V: Yes**

D: Is it his phone you have?

**V: Yes. Are they on the way?**

D: OK. We have officers we’re sending

**V: Please send them now**

D: OK if you’re worried you don’t have to talk you can set the phone down OK? Are you upstairs or downstairs

**V: We’re downstairs. There’s a side door on the right of the left house and that’s where we enter. There’s a kitchen and right off is the bedroom**

D: Do you need an ambulance? Are you bleeding?

**V: Not anymore**

D: What were you bleeding from? You don’t have to talk if you don’t need to, OK? Do you know where he lives?

**V: No. Oh (expletive). Oh (expletive), I just woke him up.**

D: OK set the phone down.

_(Long silence after what sounds like a third voice)_

D: Are you still there?

**V: How much longer**

D: Do you hear any officers outside? They’re in the area

**V: Do you t