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Jason Kint on Twitter Digital Content Next, formerly the Online Publishers Association “CEO Explains Why the Online Publishers Association Changed Its Name” (Nov. 3, 2014) “Back in DC. 48hrs. 7,300 flight miles. 30+ premium publishers, 10 meetings all related to adblocking. Working hard on this issue.” “Dear ad blocking community, we need to talk” (Sept. 10, 2015) “Rise of ad blocking threatens German publishers” (May 28, 2015) “The Rise of Adblocking” (2013) “A blow for mobile advertising: The next version of Safari will let users block ads on iPhones and iPads” (June 10, 2015) “How big a deal will adblocking on iPhones and iPads be for publishers?” (June 12, 2015) “Ad Blockers Shoot to the Top of iPhone App Store Chart After Debut Day” (September 17, 2015) Auto Image Loading in Netscape WTF Ad Tech series at Digiday Napster Recording Industry Association of America Pop-up blocking “Over 300 businesses now whitelisted on AdBlock Plus, 10% pay to play” (February 3, 2015) Direct marketing “‘Tracking’ is immaterial to most publishers’ revenue streams. industry myth that it’s necessary.’ What is online behavioral advertising? Podcasting on Nieman Lab Native advertising on Nieman Lab “Publishers arm for war with ad blockers” (February 19, 2015) Timeline of file sharing Crystal “A wave of distributed content is coming — will publishers sink or swim?” (March 24, 2015) “Facebook’s Instant Articles are live: Either a shrewd mobile move by publishers — or feeding the Borg” (May 13, 2015) “Content blocking in iOS 9 is going to screw up way more than just ads” (August 28, 2015) “Separating advertising’s wheat and chaff” (August 12, 2015)

Sep 09, 2015

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It’s Episode 15 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast!

publish-2-1400px.jpg" alt="press-publish-2-1400px" width="300" height="300" class="nakedrightimage">My guest today is Matt Thompson. Since earlier this year, Matt has been deputy editor of TheAtlantic.com, But you might know him from some of his previous career stops. He spent a few years at NPR, heading up some of its most interesting digital initiatives, like Project Argo. Maybe you know him from Snarkmarket, the influential group blog he led with fellow smart guys Robin Sloan and Tim Carmody. Or you may just know him as a provocative thinker on the shape of modern media.

Matt’s one of the key people behind Notes, a new section The Atlantic launched last month that promises to bring blogging back to The Atlantic. It’s an interesting attempt to recapture some of the looser, voicier, more conversational structures of the early 2000s — some of which has been lost in the rise of social media and commercialized online news.

We talked about how blogging seeped into the DNA of today’s news, whether Wikipedia-ing the news is still a thing, and how Slack is creating a new context for editorial voice. Here’s our conversation.

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Matt Thompson (his site still has an old bio on it, alas) @mthomps The Atlantic The Atlantic’s Notes section Chris Bodenner, Atlantic senior editor “Welcome to Notes” (August 27, 2015) “The Atlantic is returning to blogging” (August 27, 2015) “The People Formerly Known as the Audience” (June 27, 2006) J.J. Gould, editor of TheAtlantic.com “For the Golden Horde” (December 22, 2010) “The Atlantic redesigns, trading clutter and density for refinement” (April 22, 2015) The reader survey The Atlantic used for user testing “Two out of two news organizations recommend user research” (July 29, 2015) Ta-Nehisi Coates at The Atlantic The Matt Thompson tag page on Nieman Lab “Building permission structures for short content (Vox edition)” (May 19, 2014) “The blog is dead, long live the blog” (December 19, 2013) The Sully lede Infocom #thedress Email newsletters on Nieman Lab Podcasts on Nieman Lab TheAtlantic.com homepage in 2011 media-venture-to-include-nbc-buzzfeed-and-new-york-times.html?_r=0">“Facebook Begins Testing Instant Articles From News Publishers” (May 13, 2015) “A confab with Matt Thompson: Noodling the future of context” (May 5, 2009) Kevin Kelly’s 1,000 true fans (March 4, 2008) Power laws Slack Alexis C. Madrigal Stewart Butterfield Game Neverending FiveThirtyEight makes an article out of its Slack Snarkmarket Project Argo, an NPR blogging initiative Matt led Nieman Lab coverage of Project Argo The Argolinks WordPress plugin, developed by Project Argo, now powering our What We’re Reading “The 2016 U.S. Presidential Race: A Cheat Sheet” (updated September 7, 2015) “Wikipedia-ing the news,” Matt’s RJI Fellowship project in 2008 Vox’s card stacks Nieman Lab coverage of Circa Parse.ly MediaWiki, the software that underlies Wikipedia An example of a Vox StoryStream on The Verge Radiolab: The Rhino Hunter Pop Culture Happy Hour An array of Walking Dead response podcasts

Aug 26, 2015

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It’s Episode 14 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast!

publish-2-1400px.jpg" alt="press-publish-2-1400px" width="300" height="300" class="nakedrightimage">My guest today is Jenna Weiss-Berman, the director of audio at BuzzFeed. Jenna was hired last fall to figure out the site’s podcasting strategy, and thus far she’s launched three shows, each targeting the sites’s young diverse audience.

Just about everything BuzzFeed does draws attention, and its approach to podcasting is no different. Jenna’s job is to figure out audio’s place between BuzzFeed’s two great goliaths — text with pictures on one hand and video on the other. BuzzFeed’s enormous success with viral content might make you think social sharing is her team’s main goal — but in some ways BuzzFeed’s podcasts are more traditional than that.

We talked about how podcasts can reach a younger audience, whether audio is just a stepping stone to video, and her advice for young people who want to break into the podcast business. Here’s our conversation.

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Jenna Weiss-Berman on LinkedIn @WBJenna BuzzFeed Podcasts Another Round Internet Explorer Rerun Jack Shepherd What is the best way to track podcast “listenership”? Ben Smith, BuzzFeed editor-in-chief Lean In Julia Furlan Heben Nigatu and Tracy Clayton, hosts of Another Round Internet Explorer on SoundCloud Another Round live show in June “What Kind Of Stuff On The Internet Do Teens Actually Think Is Cool?” (July 15, 2015) “14 Times Daria And Quinn Morgendorffer Were You And Your Sister” (Aug. 17, 2015) Earwolf Panoply The debut episode of Internet Explorer Carl Kasell NPR One TED Radio Hour Call Your Girlfriend Matt Lieber of Gimlet Media Serial Welcome to Night Vale “35 Hidden Podcasts You Really Should Be Listening To” (July 8, 2015) An example of an ad in Another Round “BuzzFeed Motion Pictures videos reach 1 billion monthly views” (March 12, 2015) Grantland’s podcasts to-invest-200-million-in-buzzfeed.html">“NBCUniversal to Invest $200 Million in BuzzFeed” (Aug. 18, 2015) Acast 99% Invisible Scumbag Steve Anna Sale Death, Sex, and Money It Gets Better

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Aug 19, 2015

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It’s Episode 13 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast!

publish-2-1400px.jpg" alt="press-publish-2-1400px" width="300" height="300" class="nakedrightimage">My guest today is Adam Ragusea, the host of The Pub, a podcast about the state of public media — mostly public radio. I first heard Adam’s voice about 7 years ago, when he was a reporter for WBUR, the local NPR station here in Boston. He’s since moved into teaching journalism at Mercer University in Georgia, and by hosting The Pub — which is based out of Current, the website covering public media — he’s established himself as one of the more interesting and ornery thinkers about the field’s future.

We talked about a range of topics — how the shift to podcasting is putting local news at risk, why he thinks public radio is stuck producing content that doesn’t work well online, and what he’d do if he were running NPR or an NPR member station. Here’s our conversation.

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The Pub @aragusea AdamRagusea.com Mercer University’s Center for Collaborative Journalism Shaggy dog story The News from Lake Wobegon Savage Lovecast Georgia Public Broadcasting Ringr, an interview-recording app for iOS and Android PodClear, another interview-recording app that Adam couldn’t remember the name of WBUR, Boston’s NPR News station Clayton Christensen’s disruptive innovation theory Why you should be using the Oxford comma “Why you’re doing audio levels wrong, and why it really does matter” (July 14, 2014) Adam’s upcoming presentation on loudness An anechoic chamber The Fletcher-Munson curves Audacity Adobe Audition Loudness units GarageBand Hindenburg Lindsay Patterson asks: Where is the YouTube for podcasts? “Journalists shouldn’t lose their rights in their move to private platforms” (April 20, 2015) PRX Morning Edition All Things Considered “Texas Turns Down Cook’s Offer Of Free ‘Last Meals'” (All Things Considered, September 27, 2011) 11 herbs and spices Celeste Headlee On Second Thought The Pub #31: Adam Davidson on the economics of public radio in the podcasting era John Sutton and Adam Davidson debate (at length!) the future of public radio WGBH NPR One Starch, meat, starch, meat, Jell-O The Pub #27: NPR One’s Sara Sarasohn, live from Lost & Found in Washington, D.C. WTF with Marc Maron The Pub #26: The business of podcasting, live from the PMDMC Conference The great Bob Oakes KQED WNYC Finish Line: Inside The Boston Marathon Bombing Trial (David Boeri and Kevin Cullen podcast) West Virginia Public Broadcasting podcasts WBUR’s program schedule WBUR’s Sunday church service broadcast Boston University World of Ideas Jarl Mohn, NPR CEO The NPR board of directors went-wrong-at-national-public-radio.html?pagewanted=all">What went wrong at National Public Radio? (June 12, 1983) An explanation of cume and AQH KRVS, Radio Acadie (great Cajun/zydeco music) Jarl Mohn: “Broadcast radio is the cockroach of media. You can’t kill it. You can’t make it go away, it just gets stronger and more resilient.” Chicago Public Media’s Vocalo “How KPCC in Los Angeles grew its Latino listenership while trying to keep its traditional audience” (July 16, 2015)

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Aug 12, 2015

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It’s Episode 12 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast!

publish-2-1400px.jpg" alt="press-publish-2-1400px" width="300" height="300" class="nakedrightimage">My guest in today’s episode is Jesse Holcomb, an associate director of research at the Pew Research Center. Jesse is one of Pew’s lead researchers on journalism, which means he’s been part of a lot of interesting projects — analyzing issues like how local news is surviving in the Internet age, digital security for investigative journalists, and how stories get consumed on social media.

It’s not overstating it to call Pew an essential player of the contemporary journalism landscape. Their audience surveys, their deep analysis, their data crunching — they’re all a big part of what we know about how things are changing. And by reminding us that, actually, not everyone is on Twitter all day, and hey, local tv is still the No. 1 way people get their news, they provide a useful corrective for those of us who sit in front of a screen all day.

Jesse and I talked about my slight panic over the future of local news, how they’re thinking about studying the presidential election cycle we’re entering, and how Pew’s own approach to getting its findings out is changing. Here’s our conversation.

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Jesse Holcomb’s bio @JesseHolcomb Pew Research Center Our many, many NIeman Lab stories about Pew’s research over the years Pew’s 2015 State of the News Media report Pew’s Journalism & Media work Pew Charitable Trusts Pew’s Religion & Public Life and Internet, Science & Tech “15% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they?” (Monica Anderson and Andrew Perrin) “How Americans Get TV News at Home” (Kenneth Olmstead, Mark Jurkowitz, Amy Mitchell, and Jodi Enda) press.org/2012/09/27/in-changing-news-landscape-even-television-is-vulnerable/">“In Changing News Landscape, Even Television is Vulnerable” Michele’s List “ASNE releases 2015 newsroom census results” “The Growth in Digital Reporting” (Mark Jurkowitz) News-Matthew-Hindman.pdf">“Stickier News: What Newspapers Don’t Know about Web Traffic Has Hurt Them Badly — But There is a Better Way” (Matt Hindman paper) press.org/2015/04/28/what-the-public-knows-in-pictures-words-maps-and-graphs/">“What the Public Knows — In Pictures, Words, Maps and Graphs” “Voter turnout always drops off for midterm elections, but why?” (Drew DeSilver) alan.html">Alan I. Abramowitz “What information does” (on Abramowitz’s research, by Austin Frakt) “Political Polarization & Media Habits” (Amy Mitchell, Jeffrey Gottfried, Jocelyn Kiley, and Katerina Eva Matsa) Walter Lippmann on journalism “9 Most Scathing Jon Stewart Cable News Takedowns on ‘The Daily Show’ (Videos)” “Cable News: Fact Sheet” “Preach the gospel, and if necessary, use words” Pew Research’s Fact Tank “As Jon Stewart steps down, 5 facts about The Daily Show” (Jeffrey Gottfried, Katerina Eva Matsa, and Michael Barthel) “The Evolving Role of News on Twitter and Facebook” (Michael Barthel, Elisa Shearer, Jeffrey Gottfried, and Amy Mitchell) “Local News in a Digital Age” “Millennials and Political News: Social Media – the Local TV for the Next Generation?” (Amy Mitchell, Jeffrey Gottfried, and Katerina Eva Matsa)

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Aug 05, 2015

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It’s Episode 11 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast!

publish-2-1400px.jpg" alt="press-publish-2-1400px" width="300" height="300" class="nakedrightimage">Hey, did you not know we have a podcast? That’s fair — Press Publish debuted back in January 2013 and, like many podcasts, it lost steam after a while. But we’re ready to jump back in! I hope you’ll join us as we interview some of the most interesting people in digital news.

In today’s episode, I interviewed Cory Haik, the executive director of emerging news products at The Washington Post. Cory has been the news-side lead for the Post’s Project Rainbow, its attempt to rethink its strategy for presenting news on mobile. (We wrote about its very interesting new iPhone app last month.) There aren’t that many traditional news publishers who are innovating in mobile apps, but the Post is definitely high on that list.

We talked about the Post’s strategy, the design resources necessary to carry it out, how tablet and smartphone app designs differ, the advantage of being preinstalled on a device, and a lot more. I hope you’ll give it a listen — and that you subscribe to the podcast (here’s the iTunes link) and keep listening.

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@coryhaik “Meet the Post’s mobile leadership, A Q&A with Cory Haik and Julia Beizer” (Oct. 21, 2014) “Cory Haik named Executive Director for Emerging News Products” (July 21, 2015) The Washington Post The Post’s mobile apps The Project Rainbow-ized version of the Post’s website Julie Beizer, the Post’s director of mobile product “The Washington Post’s new iOS app emphasizes bold design to try to reach a national and global audience” (July 9, 2015) “Washington Post launches twice-daily tablet editions on Amazon Fire app” (Nov. 20, 2014) “The Washington Post is experimenting with bringing its tablet experience to the web” (May 5, 2015) “Squirrel!” “A new app from NowThis wants to reduce the work of finding news to one big red button” (July 29, 2015) The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less by Barry Schwartz Cognitive load “2013: The Year ‘the Stream’ Crested” (Alexis Madrigal, Dec. 12, 2013) “Small podcasters have trouble finding new listeners and monetizing, survey finds” (July 17, 2015) Rainbow Brite The Washington Post (the new app) for iPhone Washington Post Classic for iPhone The Washington Post Advisory Panel Shailesh Prakash, Post CTO/CIO Marty Baron, Post editor “A mixed bag on apps: What The New York Times learned with NYT Opinion and NYT Now” (Oct. 1, 2014) “A new NYT Now: All the aggregation you enjoyed before, now for free” (May 11, 2015) Joey Marburger, the Post’s director of digital products and design “How involved has Jeff Bezos been at The Washington Post? Here’s one data point” (Feb. 11, 2015) “Bezos courts Washington Post editors, reporters” (Sept. 4, 2013) Socialcam “The Washington Post Becomes Official News Partner of Socialcam for 2012 Summer Olympics Coverage” (July 9, 2012)

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Apr 03, 2013

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shackelford.jpg" alt="tiffany-shackelford" width="300" height="400" class="nakedrightimage">It’s Episode 10 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast! My guest this week is Tiffany Shackelford, executive director of Association of Alternative Newsmedia, until recently known as the Association of Alternative Newsweeklies. They’re the trade group for alt weeklies in the U.S. — your Village Voices, your Chicago Readers, your Seattle Weeklies — and until recently, the Boston Phoenix.

The legendary Boston alt weekly surprised the publishing world last month when it announced it was closing after 47 years. That led to a new round of concerns about the future of alt weeklies, which have seen a lot of the same revenue declines that dailies have over the past decade. And when daily newspapers were strong, it was easy to know who the alt weeklies were an alternative to; now there’s no shortage of alternatives to the alternative.

publish-logo.png" alt="press-publish-logo" width="314" height="195" class="nakedrightimage">Tiffany believes that alts still have a solid future ahead of them, particularly in markets smaller than Boston. We talked about how their revenue mix is shifting, how some alts are changing their publication cycle and becoming more heavily digital, and who are the model players that other publishers should be watching. If you’re interested in the future of some of America’s most prominent newspaper brands, give our conversation a listen.

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@tiffanyshack Tiffany’s LinkedIn profile Association of Alternative Newsmedia 2012: “Alt weeklies eye an AP of their own with a content exchange” The Boston Phoenix, R.I.P. end-boston-phoenix-publishes-final-issue-today-statement-from-publisher-stephen-m-mindich.aspx">Phoenix publisher Stephen Mindich’s goodbye The Independent in Lafayette, Louisiana Long Island Press American Independent News Network Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity Stateline.org Barbara Mandrell, “I Was Country (When Country Wasn’t Cool)” Capitolbeat, the Association of Capitol Reporters and Editors Ernie Smith, “Alt-weeklies may struggle but don’t count them out” Rachael Daigle, “Alt-Weeklies Are Dead; Long Live Alt-Weeklies” Dan Kennedy, “The Boston Phoenix comes to the end of the road” “The Boston Phoenix closing is another sign that glossing up print doesn’t work miracles” the-boston-phoenix-kept-its-readers-but-lost-its-advertisers078.html">Dan Kennedy, “How the Boston Phoenix Kept Its Readers But Lost Its Advertisers” DigBoston Allyson Bird, “Why I left news” Job listings at AltWeeklies.com Arkansas Times’ Arkansas Blog Walter Hussman’s pro-paywall position OC Weekly Willamette Week WW’s Candidates Gone Wild The Media Consortium Seven Days Creative Loafing’s neighborhoods project with the Home Depot Foundation The Reader of Omaha East Bay Express Charleston City Paper Voice Media Group The Stranger of Seattle paper-to-cease-publication-january-31.html">The Other Paper in Columbus closing The Times of Acadiana (owned by Gannett) New Haven Advocate SouthComm Boise Weekly Chicago Reader Now in Toronto Gambit in New Orleans

Mar 18, 2013

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mitchell-tall.jpg" alt="amy-mitchell-tall" width="300" height="450" class="nakedrightimage">It’s Episode 9 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast! My guest this week is Amy Mitchell, acting director for the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism.

This morning, Pew came out with its latest edition of the State of the Media, its annual analysis of where the news business stands. It’s a must-read every year, and Amy and I were able to chat about a sneak peak at it late last week.

While it may be true of-union-address-language-changed-over-time.html?_r=0">that the state of the union is forever “strong,” it’s hard to argue the same about the news industry. Pew’s report goes into the continued financial decline of traditional news outlets (and the hopeful signs of new revenue streams); it examines how the new news ecosystem is changing audience habits; and it looks at the declining state of local television, still the No. 1 source of news for Americans.

publish-logo.png" alt="press-publish-logo" width="314" height="195" class="nakedrightimage">Pew’s great at combining original survey research with a keen analytical eye, and their reports are some of the most valuable resources we have to move from ideas to real data. If you’re interested in stepping back a bit and understanding how 2013 is looking different from 2012 or 2011, give it a listen.

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State of the Media 2013 Last year’s State of the Media Earlier State of the Media reports, 2004-2011 Key findings from this year’s report “Many Americans Abandon News Outlets, Citing Less Information” “Friends and Family — Important Drivers of News” “The Changing TV News Landscape” “The Media and Campaign 2012”

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And here’s the giant infographic Pew assembled to illustrate its findings:

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Feb 28, 2013

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christensen-cc1.jpg" alt="clay-christensen-cc" width="990" height="660" class="nakedboxedimage">It’s Episode 8 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast! Our guests this week are Harvard Business School professor Clay Christensen and David Skok, the director of digital at Globalnews.ca in Canada.

Normally, episodes of Press Publish feature me having an extended conversation with someone doing interesting work in journalism innovation. This one’s different — it’s actually a recording of an event we held here at the Nieman Foundation last night.

reports-fall-2012-clay-skok.jpg" alt="nieman-reports-fall-2012-clay-skok" width="300" height="388" class="nakedrightimage">Does Clay Christensen really need an introduction at this point? Once you’ve been named the top management thinker in the world, I imagine not. Clay is the man behind Innovation-Primer.pdf">disruptive innovation, the theory of how industries respond to technological changes that alter access to products or services. His book The Innovator’s Dilemma is one of the most influential business books of the past two decades, and his Newspaper Next project in 2006 provided an alternate vision of what a more agile U.S. newspaper business might have looked like.

publish-logo.png" alt="press-publish-logo" width="314" height="195" class="nakedrightimage">David was a Nieman Fellow last year, and during that year he studied with Clay on the application of his theories to news. The result was News.aspx">“Breaking News,” a piece for the fall issue of our sister publication Nieman Reports that outlines the hurdles and the possibilities. (You may remember an interview I did with the coauthors back in October.)

Last night, David came in from Toronto and Clay came in from across campus to talk to a crowd of about 70 about technological disruption in journalism. They were in conversation with Nieman Foundation curator Ann Marie Lipinski. It’s a great framing of disruption and definitely worth a listen.

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Horace Dediu: “Re-framing the dichotomies: Open/Closed vs. Integrated/Fragmented”

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Clayton Christensen Clay’s bio David Skok @claychristensen on Twitter @dskok on Twitter News.aspx">Nieman Reports: “Breaking News: Mastering the art of disruptive innovation in journalism” October 18, 2012: “Clay Christensen on the news industry: ‘We didn’t quite understand…how quickly things fall off the cliff'” The New Yorker: “When giants fall: What business has learned from Clayton Christensen” Wired: “Clayton Christensen Wants to Transform Capitalism” The Innovative University: Changing the DNA of Higher Education from the Inside Out, Clayton M. Christensen and Henry J. Eyring January 27, 2012: “David Skok: Aggregation is deep in journalism’s DNA” Christensen and Eyring: “How Disruptive Innovation is Remaking the University” to-be-done.cfm">Jobs to Be Done Next.aspx">Newspaper Next Oct. 2011: “The path of disruption: Did Newspaper Next succeed in transforming newspapers? Oct. 2011: “Moms, coupons and search: What happened in the Newspaper Next demonstration projects” Christensen, 2011: “Jobs made Apple great by ignoring profit” 2009: “Godrej creates affordable refrigerator for rural India” chotoKool Godrej The Peltier effect

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Feb 20, 2013

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maness1.jpg" alt="michael-maness" width="300" height="300" class="nakedrightimage">It’s Episode 7 of Press Publish, the Nieman Lab podcast! My guest this week is Michael Maness, who leads the Journalism and Media Innovation program at the Knight Foundation.

If you pay much attention to the journalism innovation world — or if you’ve been reading this site for long — you know that Knight is the biggest of big dogs in the space. They give more than $30 million a year to a mixture of startups, news organizations, coding projects, and other ventures they believe will help support the information needs of communities. Name a prominent nonprofit news outlet or journalism school — or, increasingly, a news-related open source project — and there’s a pretty good shot Knight has either funded it or been asked to fund it. (That includes — disclosure! — this website, which has received Knight funding.) You could get a pretty good idea of the journalism-innovation zeitgeist just by looking at who Knight is funding at any given moment.

publish-logo.png" alt="press-publish-logo" width="314" height="195" class="nakedrightimage">Michael and I talked about how Knight decides on its journalism priorities, how those have shifted in recent years, and how they’re trying to ensure the projects they fund have impact beyond the length of a grant. If you’re interested in how journalism’s biggest foundation funder is thinking about the challenges in 2013, you should definitely give it a listen.

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