David was one of the first person’s I thought of when I thought about making Man V/s Machine because I wanted someone to talk about the weird political climate that was happening online and he didn’t disappoint.In this interview we talk about how we started on the internet since we’re about similar ages, as well as how gender plays into how we think about politics, as well as thinking about how we read the news.

You can find his work here at https://www.davidmoscrop.com/

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There’s a common sentence you hear that the online world is not real. That whatever happens in social media is not real. This is factually incorrect, everything that happens online is part of the world world whether we like it or not. and if we take his statement at face value, this can be dangerous.

Our social lives revolve around the technology we have, s well as our business, our careers, our families, and the shape of what we think about the world. All of it revolves around what happens online. This can lead to healthy communities or dangerous ideas.

There’s a blend here. A distortion.

David Moscrop, political commentator and writer of the book "Too Dumb for Democracy" is here to help us through the muck.

 

Research: 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X1930065X

SocialRelationshipsIdentity.pdf">https://dourish.com/classes/readings/Slater-SocialRelationshipsIdentity.pdf

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/photoshop-ai-generated-images-1.6859130

https://arstechnica.com/staff/2016/12/stop-pretending-theres-a-difference-between-online-and-real-life/

(Critical Ignoring Paper  -https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09637214221121570 , https://theconversation.com/when-critical-thinking-isnt-enough-to-beat-information-overload-we-need-to-learn-critical-ignoring-198549) 

HBR - Social Media explained - https://hbr.org/2011/06/secrets-of-social-media-reveal (Why do people post)

https://everyonesocial.com/blog/the-psychology-of-how-and-why-we-share/

https://archive.ph/Q7Dn6

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7588715/

David Moscrop: 

https://www.davidmoscrop.com/p/how-to-read-the-news

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On this Bonus Episode of Modern Manhood, we give you the full interview with Tyler Prochnow who is an Assistant Professor at Texas A&M University. 

He was my main voice in the Group Chat episode and we spoke a bit to his research in the online gaming and chat space. 

His research interests include the social dynamics which drive health behavior. Tyler has also done work with local Boys & Girls Clubs, health districts, gaming communities, and other research projects to better understand how social connections impact physical activity and mental health.

In this episode you’ll hear us talk about how group chats can become healthy or toxic, and also dissect even a group chat like mine with my friends. 

https://www.tprochnow.com/

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When we think of an all male group chat, does your mind wander to places of toxicity, misogyny and overall bad behavior? or does it go to a place where people find a community, where guys lift each other up, and police their language?

Well it can be both.

Let’s explore how the group chat is today’s digital third place, and how men and boys have found toxicity or a healthy community in them

RESEARCH: 

mental-health-mens-group-chats.html">https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/05/male-mental-health-mens-group-chats.html

• https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/135u9pv/the_unexpected_wholesomeness_of_the_male_group/ (MensLib reddit) 

literacies-for-the-disengaged-Creating-after-school-contexts-to-support-boys-game-based-literacy-skills.pdf">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Constance-Steinkuehler/publication/228622890_Digital_literacies_for_the_disengaged_Creating_after_school_contexts_to_support_boys%27_game-based_literacy_skills/links/5b80ec84a6fdcc5f8b65944d/Digital-literacies-for-the-disengaged-Creating-after-school-contexts-to-support-boys-game-based-literacy-skills.pdf

https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/38676179/Volume_2__Issue_2_Full_Issue.pdf?1441473367=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DVolume_2_Issue_2_September_2015.pdf&Expires=1708493753&Signature=HOfLxSvmQYZSDuiSJ1TdVaAEurSvJ8KY9Xhhs4SA1HVGqT4gAzu~Tws3if31EIubAuyl7WLz62YrvCGEHtfIScgebKu8ivoE3mT~5EkfFKCmGUyhy-ziPBcAE6BRz-B9iKnxo9mh3sdnfjRdt1Mfw5Dw2-8cJk277WwjMvE0t8UM7nD0E4ZtaWy0uu-a1X~~ZXySZ4vEcCgODh2cABKGInzoWSeVPdsrluV-vR6o-fONsRQ6C-7hbhsrxPFexGOcyXx2NUi2CA36wti3fZ1oIdLyAum6BBF1LsjRlRtcFCbp9~6c9s4M1h9b57sq8KhaDNBy1pVBj3DKt8ZdS0DcPA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA#page=9

https://www.insidehook.com/internet/10-things-to-start-doing-differently-in-your-all-male-group-chats 

https://thetab.com/uk/2021/02/19/toxic-male-group-chats-190149

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2lPptNghyI

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=46677c8e-7bd0-4210-a297-ba0cd0ffe624

https://www.tprochnow.com/project/onlinegaming/

 

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Today on Modern Manhood, a bonus episode for you with Iliana Depounti who is a researcher out of the University of Loughborough. She was one of the main writers of the research around Replika, an AI companion chat bot. 

Ever since I thought about doing a season on tech I wanted to do an episode on AI companionship, because it’s so god darn interesting in regards to how people, especially guys operate on the internet. And to the broader themes of relationships in general. 

And I had so many questions for Iliana, and so many quotes that I could’ve put in the episode. So this is the reason why I wanted to release the full interview.  We not only go through Replika, but the different tropes the user liked, also why people may be interested in using the AI bot, and what women liked from their AI companion bot. 

So enjoy my conversation with Iliana Depounti, on Modern Manhood: Man v/s Machine

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Ever since the internet has arrived, sex has been the thing that has powered it’s evolution. From how fast the internet goes, to the regulations that policy makers have to make.

however it’s not just sex that’s causing people to turn to the internet, it’s also relationships. and how people use the internet for relationships right now tells us a lot on how gendered it is.

This is a story about chat rooms to AI companion bots with a researcher who studied the new AI companion bot. On the latest episode of man v/s machine

Research:

Samantha Cole - How Sex Changed the Internet and the Internet Changed Sex

Janelle Shane - You Look like a Thing and I love You

Websites: 

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220628-what-if-the-internet-was-run-by-women

https://www.wired.com/1997/06/the-entrepreneur-next-door/ (https://archive.ph/XYA07)

https://www.xbiz.com/news/262767/persian-kitty-webmaster-beth-mansfield-passes

AI Replika: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/01634437221119021

https://venturebeat.com/games/adult-entertainment-moves-into-virtual-reality-with-red-light-center-for-the-oculus-rift/https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2002/mar/03/internetnews.observerfocus

https://www.wired.com/story/chatbot-kill-the-queen-eliza-effect/

Research Eliza: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/365153.365168

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/chatbot-firm-restores-erotic-play

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On today’s Modern Manhood, it’s another bonus episode. This time it’s our full conversation with Alice Cappelle. A French youtuber, writer and internet essayist. Alice if you heard episode 2, came into my worldview through a video titled “Positive Masculinity is Overrated.” A provocative title, but a sentiment I honestly shared, As soon as I knew I wanted to do a season on tech the first person I thought of was Alice, and it was a great coincidence that she wrote a book called Collapse Feminism, which talks a lot about how internet and cultural conversation feeds into fascist and far right views. So these are the things I wanted to talk to Alice about, as well as influencers, French masculinity, her life online, as well as what she thought when one influencer responded to her video.

Books:

Alice Cappelle's "Collapse Feminism"

Kaitlyn Tiffany's "Everything I Need I get from You" 

Links:

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/23158503/one-direction-fandom-book-kaitlyn-tiffany

https://www.vox.com/2016/11/23/13659634/alt-right-trolling

https://archive.ph/riYJt

bankman-fried-found-guilty-on-all-seven-criminal-fraud-counts.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/02/sam-bankman-fried-found-guilty-on-all-seven-criminal-fraud-counts.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQqJqovXeDg

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdcHrQfaOCU

 

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On today’s Modern Manhood, it’s a bonus episode that we’ll do after each regular episode of the season, where we’ll release most of the interview with our guest from the episode. This time it’s with Paris Marx. Paris is a Canadian based writer, podcaster, and leftist opinion maker, who I first heard of from his podcast “Tech Won’t Save Us.” Right now he runs the newsletter “Disconnect.” Paris has always been a person with a critical eye on the world of tech news, understanding that not every promise of rainbows and sunshine coming from the optimists of tech comes to pass. And if it does, it usually comes at the expense of other people, ideas, and culture. On this conversation, we'll talk about Elon Musk, Uber, AI, and all the tech bros. You can find Paris' show at Tech Won't Save Us (https://www.techwontsave.us/) and the newsletter Disconnect (https://disconnect.blog/) This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

References for this episode: 

• https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/17session/A.HRC.17.27_en.pdf
• online-dating-apps.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/well/mind/burnout-online-dating-apps.html
• https://doniveson.ca/2015/01/21/the-night-uber-came-to-town/
• coding-computer-programming.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/magazine/women-coding-computer-programming.html
• "Please Unsubscribe, Thanks" by Julio Vincent Cambuto
• Technolopy by Neil Postman

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What does it mean to find love, community, knowledge, and power on the internet? How was my digital experience different or the same as every other guy I know? And how has that shaped our culture. Join me as I find out how masculinity shaped the internet and the internet shaped masculinityThis podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

Before we begin the new season, let's have a little fun. ⁠ ⁠ Join Remoy, Samantha, and myself as we dissect, debate, and delve into the news of Masculinity and gender and catching up Remoy on what tech is and who Andrew Tate is. And also previewing the new season of Modern Manhood: Man v/s Machine Expect a few lightbulb moments! 💡⁠ ⁠ Listen, reflect, and hit us up with your thoughts! And don't forget that in a couple of weeks time, the new season of Modern Manhood begins. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

On this week’s episode, we’re talking about Jonathan Majors again, this time, not for great reasons. On the heels of box office success “Creed III”, Majors was accused of strangulation and intimate partner violence, so we will be talking about it. We are also going to get into another movie starring Jessie Buckley, MEN, written, directed and produced by Alex Garland. If you want more Cold Takes in your feed, subscribe here: https://pod.link/1637740882This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

Wanted to drop an episode of Cold Takes for you all. If you want to check out the Cold Takes feed, do so here: https://pod.link/1637740882

On this week’s episode, we’re talking about the Oscars snubbing some important movies and recognizing some others, including Women Talking, which we’ll get into. Chris Rock has a new Netflix special out where he finally addresses the infamous slap. We’ll also talk about Creed III and what the movie does for male relationships and brotherhoods!

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References: 

• The Will to Change - bell hooks
• We Real Cool - bell hooks
• Dude You’re a F*g - CJ Pascoe
• Masculinities - Raewyn Connell
• The Mask You Live In - Movie
• Some Men - Michael Messner, Max Greenberg
• The Macho Paradox - Jackson Katz
• https://remakingmanhood.medium.com/the-history-of-the-man-box-e6eed6d895c4 (Man Box History)
• http://paulkivel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/oaklandmensproject.pdf (Oakland Men’s Project)
• https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-do-men-think-it-means-to-be-a-man/ (538 Survey about Men)
• https://www.homeronline.com/redistribution-of-energies/
• https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-do-men-think-it-means-to-be-a-man/
• https://collectiveliberation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Lorde_The_Masters_Tools.pdf
• http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html
• https://embedded.substack.com/p/what-is-online-feminism-now?s=r

 

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Relevant Links: 

• https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/proud-boys-far-right-group-1183966/ (Rise and fall of Proud Boys)
• https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-secret-history-of-gavin-mcinnes (Gavin Vanity Fair)
• vice-media-shane-smith.html">https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-shane-smith.html (Vice history)
• boys-gavin-mcinnes.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/nyregion/proud-boys-gavin-mcinnes.html (NYT McInnes) 
• https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys (Proud Boys)
• https://ctc.usma.edu/pride-prejudice-the-violent-evolution-of-the-proud-boys/ (Pride and Prejudice Proud Boys) 
• https://www.wired.com/2007/10/ff-vice/ (WIRED Vice Magazine)
• https://level.medium.com/the-black-manosphere-is-the-hate-group-you-never-heard-of-5b8bbc3fe89c (Fountain, Black Manosphere)
• (http://blackyouthproject.com/its-not-just-white-incels-we-need-to-talk-about-the-black-manosphere-too/ (Black Youth Project, Black Manosphere)
• https://www.elle.com/life-love/opinions-features/a38819237/black-manosphere-online-dating/ (Elle Black Manosphere)
• https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/4/16/18287446/incel-definition-reddit (Vox Incels)
• https://web.archive.org/web/19970525065344/http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ad097/invcel.html (Alana Incel)
• https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-stack-statement-alleg_n_467539 (Joe Stack Statement)
• https://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/31/noam_chomsky_the_center_cannot_hold (Noam Chomsky)
• https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/08/intel-involuntary-celibate-movement-218324/ (Politico Incel)
• https://ctc.westpoint.edu/pride-prejudice-the-violent-evolution-of-the-proud-boys/
•  (Evolution of the Proud Boys)

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Relevant Links: 

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/manosphere-mens-rights-movement-terms/

https://ojs.aaai.org/index.php/ICWSM/article/download/18053/17856/21548

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/GamerGate (GamerGate)

https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/1/20/20808875/gamergate-lessons-cultural-impact-changes-harassment-laws

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/14/the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men

https://www.elle.com/life-love/opinions-features/a38819237/black-manosphere-online-dating/ (The Black Manosphere)

https://escholarship.org/content/qt522199sh/qt522199sh.pdf (Play about Roosh V)

aims-he-shoots-yes.html">https://web.archive.org/web/20110214214049/http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/style/he-aims-he-shoots-yes.html (Neil Strauss original article about PUA’s) 

https://web.archive.org/web/20141112203352/http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/mar/14/asking-roosh-v-what-legacy-has-feminism-left-men/ (Washington Times article about Roosh V)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adamserwer/how-mens-rights-leader-paul-elam-turned-being-a-deadbeat-dad

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/daryush-roosh-valizadeh (Roosh V SPLC)

https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/ (Roosh V Bang books)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338737324_The_Evolution_of_the_Manosphere_Across_the_Web (Evolution of the Manosphere)

https://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844 (Gamergate)

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Relevant Links: 

• https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1991/02/03/mens-movement-stalks-the-wild-side/83d3e85f-1384-484c-8e43-c4e30e1229f4/
• https://medium.com/the-establishment/meet-the-new-masculinity-same-as-the-old-masculinity-25dc5a65c7df
• poet-robert-bly-started-the-drum-thumping-mens-movement-of-the-90s.html">https://nymag.com/article/2016/06/how-poet-robert-bly-started-the-drum-thumping-mens-movement-of-the-90s.html
• numinous.com/2015/12/17/why-men-find-it-hard-to-feel/">https://www.the-numinous.com/2015/12/17/why-men-find-it-hard-to-feel/ (Mythopoetic Idea of male malaise)
• iron-john-is-no-gift-to-women.html">https://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/23/books/why-iron-john-is-no-gift-to-women.html (NYT review of Iron John)
• https://jezebel.com/king-warrior-magician-revisionist-the-enduring-masc-1845215969 (Jezebel KWML)
• https://thepowermoves.com/king-warrior-magician-lover/ (KWML Summary from a Red Piller)
• https://www.context.org/iclib/ic16/bliss/ (Bliss talking about Men’s Movements)
• https://web.archive.org/web/20070704074252/http://girardianlectionary.net/covr2004/BJohnsenpaper.pdf (Bly early life)
• emotions-mankind-project.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/style/men-emotions-mankind-project.html (NYT MKP)
• https://www.vice.com/en/article/4awnqm/what-are-man-warrior-camps (Warrior Camps VICE)
• https://www.gq.com/story/among-the-mens-group-sacred-sons (GQ Sacred Sons)
• https://www.gq.com/story/inside-a-group-where-men-confront-their-feelings (GQ EVRYMAN)

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Related Links:

• https://gynocentrism.com/2015/12/19/a-word-for-mens-rights-1856/ (A Word for Men’s Rights)
• https://www.bustle.com/articles/65536-7-feminist-moments-from-the-1980s-because-the-decade-wasnt-just-about-spandex-and-hairspray
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement
• http://menstuff.org/columns/overboard/farrell.html
• https://xyonline.net/content/book-review-myth-male-power-why-men-are-disposable-sex-warren-farrell
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Male_Power
• https://againstthecurrent.org/atc085/p1681/ - Women and Anti War
• http://www.menstuff.org/columns/farrell/archive.html (Farrell debate)
• https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/male-supremacy (SPLC Men’s Supremecy)
• https://books.google.ca/books?id=aHwpEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT90&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false (Because they were women: The Montreal Massacre)

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Relevant Links: 

• lib-almost-underground-but-a-growing-movement.html">https://www.nytimes.com/1972/08/09/archives/mens-lib-almost-underground-but-a-growing-movement.html (NYT Article 1974)
• https://www.vice.com/en/article/eve7zk/the-mens-liberation-movement-time-forgot  (Vice magazine article) 
• https://books.google.ca/books?id=RUAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA52&source=gbs_toc_r&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false (LIFE magazine 1972)
• https://people.com/archive/womans-lib-marries-mans-lib-a-real-life-adams-rib-vol-2-no-24/ (People 1974)
• https://www.academia.edu/33743560/On_Male_Liberation (Jack Sawyer On Male Liberation)
• https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/from-mens-liberation-to-mens-rights-angry-white-men-in-us/ (From men’s liberation to Men’s Rights - Kimmel)
• https://archive.org/details/liberatedman00farr/page/n5/mode/2up (The Liberated Man)

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Relevant Links: 

• https://www.contrapoints.com/transcripts/men
• https://thebaffler.com/ancestors/feminism-for-men
• https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/womens-suffrage-in-progressive-era/
• https://www.jstor.org/stable/190086
• https://www.jstor.org/stable/189564
• https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/theodore-roosevelt-considered-abortion-infanticide/
• https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ymca-first-opened-gyms-train-stronger-christians-180967665/
• https://books.google.ca/books?id=7Ne5DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA167&lpg=PA167&dq=%22I+can+never+be+thankful+enough+for+the+courage+he+gave+to+many+of+us--young+and+doubtful--when+he+took+up+the+suffrage+movement+on+his+own%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=NDwZOAXWZf&sig=ACfU3U3Rl6ZplMkBHQs_rh8Y5GR_uR7_yg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqmJv818_6AhV_BTQIHSLnAuwQ6AF6BAgLEAM#v=onepage&q=%22I%20can%20never%20be%20thankful%20enough%20for%20the%20courage%20he%20gave%20to%20many%20of%20us--young%20and%20doubtful--when%20he%20took%20up%20the%20suffrage%20movement%20on%20his%20own%E2%80%9D&f=false
• https://www.6sqft.com/how-the-mens-league-for-womens-suffrage-revolutionized-voting-rights-in-new-york/

 

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Welcome back to a new season of Modern Manhood. Where we will look at the history of men's movements starting from the 1900's all the way to now in 2022. Episode 1 will drop tomorrow Oct 16th. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

Hello everyone! Welcome to a new season of Modern Manhood, where we're going to go through important sections of history and talk about the men's movements that were important during those times. However before we do that, I wanted to share a discussion I did back in April with the awesome people in Reddit's Men's Lib. There's a lot of people who joined and asked questions which not only talks about the history of the men's movement, but of masculinity in it's own modern discourse. It was a great discussion and I hope you enjoy it. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

On Today's Cold Takes we talk about what the hell is going on in the US and now in Canada about the "discourse" around drag shows. Why is everyone upset at them all of sudden? And why is it important to keep vigilant. Plus we also talk about sports and why cheering for any type of sports can seem like a non ethical breach. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

Today we are joined by Samantha Nzessi and Remoy Philip to do an an emergency Cold Takes to talk about Jerrod Carmichael's special "Rothanial" where he breaks down his vulnerabilities in a unique and special way. CW: We spoil the special, so make sure you watch it before you listen, but please watch it because it's great. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

Link to CJ's Page: https://sociology.uoregon.edu/profile/cpascoe/

Dude: https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520271487

HOMAGO: https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/hanging-out-messing-around-and-geeking-out

 

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Today we're going to release some of the content that we didn't get a chance to release when the season finished. In the coming episodes we have full interviews with the people in the show that maybe showed up for a song and a dance, or didn't show up at all, not because they were not good interviews, just because we couldn't fit them into the narrative. Dr John Rich is an educational psychologist, professor, and d certified parenting coach. As well as a father of two teenage sons. And in this episode we talk about child development through his eyes. You can check out his stuff at drjohnrich.com Enjoy! This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

In the last episode of the second season of Modern Manhood, I wanted to know and understand what it would be like for young men right now graduating and going off into the world. By looking back at other people's experience of being 18. With guests, Jake Stika, Jonathan Reed, Trevor Mayoh from Next Gen Men, and one of our producers Samantha Nzessi. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

Today on Cold Takes recorded on November 18th, 2021. We celebrate Next Gen Men's birthday! As well as our shows are winding down, we look back on what was and what has been recording Modern Manhood Season 2 and Oreja Peluda. We reflect on the questions we wanted to ask, to the themes and topics maybe we wanted to delve into a little further. We discuss race and gender types as well look further to find out what is in store for the future of masculinity media, including our own shows. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

children-kids.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/magazine/sports-children-kids.html (Keith Gessen NYT Article) 

https://www.amazon.ca/Black-Cant-Shoot-Scott-Brooks/dp/022621141X (Dr Brook's Book 'Black Men Can't Shoot")

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Here's the two articles we refer to:

• machismo-hotline-masculinity.html?referringSource=articleShare">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/world/americas/colombia-machismo-hotline-masculinity.html?referringSource=articleShare (Maschismo Hotline)
• https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1281752 (Jonah Hill)

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No body that I know had a good first Sex Ed talk. How did we as a society mess this up so much? How did we take a very fundamental part of human life, our sexuality, and teach it like we were scared of it. Or treat it like a side dressing when in many cases it’s the main meal. This is especially true for young men, who at about the age of 10 are starting to think about their own sexuality. We break this down with experts Shafia Zaloom and Dr David Bell. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

The MetGala happened and we saw the looks the controversy, the dresses and the styles. Looking at this event, it reminds us of the conversations we had in the Inner Circle about fashion, about pink shoes, and dresses, and maybe how men's fashion (and fashion in general) can be restrictive. Or is it? What makes it restrictive? Is this a fashion problem or a men's problem? Or both? Let's dig in to the controversies (AOC, Cara Delavigne), the fashion, and the world around us. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

The last few episodes of Modern Manhood has focused a lot around how young children are. So I knew to make these last few episodes we had to get a lot of the voices of parents, people who are excited to be expecting children, or are in the midst of parenting. And of course they had some amazing insights, and we got a lot of tape. So much so that we had to cut a lot of it for our main episodes, but I knew it was too good to never be revealed. So this an episode all about some of the amazing pieces of knowledge like co-parenting, online life, gay couples parenting, and the age old question, do I even want kids? This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

Some Links and Notes for the show: 

1. Logan Mailloux
   1. https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/trudeau-says-canadiens-selection-logan-mailloux-shows-lack-judgment/
   2. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-draft-montreal-canadiens-logan-mailloux-1.6115744
   3. https://theathletic.com/news/prospect-logan-mailloux-dropped-from-at-least-9-nhl-teams-draft-lists/7p33VpUjGuXB
2. Chicago Blackhawks scandal
   1. https://www.tsn.ca/rick-westhead-former-blackhawks-coach-gives-investigators-account-of-player-abuse-allegations-1.1680876
   2. https://theathletic.com/news/new-details-emerge-in-sexual-assault-allegations-against-former-blackhawks-coach/Lk2BMD3o2TZZ
3. Simone Biles
   1. https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/07/30/simone-biles-addresses-accusations-of-quitting-answers-questions-about-twisties
   2. Naomi Osaka https://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/mental-health-tennis-1.6096382

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Jordan Shapiro is a writer, father and developmental expert. His last book is called Father Figure: How to be a Feminist Dad.

Mark Pagan is one of the producers and the voice of “Other Men Need Help” a podcast about the specific views and ideas of masculinity

Judy Chu has a doctorate from Harvard for Human Development and Psychology. She’s also one of the board members at Promundo, a global leader in achieving gender justice. 

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This is a teaser for the third episode coming up on Sunday. And it stars Mark Pagan, writer and producer of Other Men Need Help. Hope you enjoy This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

On this episode of Cold Takes, German takes the day off and Samantha and Veronika take over to talk about Girlbosses through the lens of "I Care A Lot" as well as what dating and relationship advice has turned into in the 2021. It's not pretty y'all! This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

In this episode we discuss these two papers/articles: 

• Gender Socialization and Identity Theory by Michael J Carter (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0760/3/2/242/htm)
• The complicated Gender History of Pink https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/health/colorscope-pink-boy-girl-gender/index.html

Michael Reichert can be found here: https://www.michaelcreichert.com/ and Danielle Perszyk can be found here: https://twitter.com/drperszyk?lang=en 

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In this season we wanted to try something small, you know like trying to figure out easy questions like: Who am I in this world? Find out more what we're cooking up on this season of Modern ManhoodThis podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

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• Daveberta Podcast - https://daveberta.ca/
• Alberta Podcast Network - https://www.albertapodcastnetwork.com/
• Taproot Edmonton - https://edmonton.taproot.news/

NEWS

• Remains of 215 children found at former residential school site in Kamloops, BC
  • Catholic church has not apologized
  • Canadian gov’t has dragged their feet on TRC and actively fought survivors in court. Continues to fight Indigenous people when it comes to drinking water, reparations for Res Schools/sixties scoop, land rights, climate change, and more…
  • GENDER -Native Women's Association leaves national MMIWG action plan process, calling it 'toxic and dysfunctional'-- creates own plan: Our Calls, Our Actions https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/nwac-mmiwg-action-plan-1.6047671
  • action-plan-FULL-ALL-EDITS.pdf">https://www.nwac.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/NWAC-action-plan-FULL-ALL-EDITS.pdf“There can be no more aspirational documents. There can be no more playing around the edges of this genocide. The next steps must be concrete, actionable, costed, and quickly put into effect. We know what those steps are because they have been spelled out for us by the families and provided to the commissioners of the National Inquiry. They are the 2 3 1 Calls for Justice”.
  • Men who want to be involved in the fight: https://moosehidecampaign.ca/ 
• Texas Heartbeat bill
  • texastribune.org/2021/05/18/texas-heartbeat-bill-abortions-law/
  • “Gov. Greg Abbott signed into law Wednesday a measure that would prohibit in Texas abortions as early as six weeks — before some women know they are pregnant — and open the door for almost any private citizen to sue abortion providers and others. The signing of the bill opens a new frontier in the battle over abortion restrictions as first-of-its-kind legal provisions — intended to make the law harder to block — are poised to be tested in the courts”.
• Dadcore
  • https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/1w4zu4/so_what_is_dadcore_really/

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Modern Manhood cannot be done without the wonderful people of Next Gen Men and the Alberta Podcast Network. Logo done from Arcade Studio in Calgary, AB. This episode includes Dr Rob Weisskirch professor from CSU Monteray Bay and many wonderful parents. 

Modern Manhood team includes German Villegas, Remoy Phillip, Samantha Nzessi, and Danny Perez. 

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The first ever episode we did experimenting a new format of Cold Takes, right to the people in the Inner Circle. The Inner Circle is part of the NGMenbership and with this you will get to hear the live version of this show recorded Thursday May 13th, and also get to ask questions during it. We also introduce Danny Perez of @orejapeludapod talk about the masculinity media, as well as finding out what makes a language gendered (especially French, English, and Spanish). We also announce the start of the season for Modern Manhood. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join You can also subscribe to the Substack at https://theferdinand.substack.com/

Today I give you a little treat, a discussion myself, Veronika from Cold Takes, and Evan from @kinolefter had about the movie "Promising Young Woman." I'll also describe to you in audio form what is going on behind the scenes at Modern Manhood. I hope you enjoy and please leave us your comments on the movie below!

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It's a long one folks, but what better way to recap what has been an eventful and stressful year than to do our annual recap with three time host Jake, and Cold Takes co-host Veronika.

We recap the biggest events this year and what are our takeaways from it.

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Spiritualists and spiritualist groups will have their say in most of men's conversations. Groups who use spiritual practices and wildman Jungian archetypes to try to solve this notion of the broken man. We give them too leeway, and we don’t critique them enough. Because these groups for decades have been defending an idea of gender essentialism and use ideas that have been shown to be ideologically biased, sexist, and naive of what we think of as the modern man.

Links:

- https://jezebel.com/king-warrior-magician-revisionist-the-enduring-masc-1845215969

- jill-johnstons-critique-of-robert-bly-and-iron-john.html"> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/books/review/revisiting-jill-johnstons-critique-of-robert-bly-and-iron-john.html

- https://realitysandwich.com/18481/masculine_spiritualities_and_problem_patriarchy/

- https://www.houstonpress.com/news/naked-men-the-mankind-project-and-michael-scinto-6587139

- https://thepowermoves.com/king-warrior-magician-lover/

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In this episode we talk about how porn affects how we see women and sexuality, and getting deep (no pun intended) about how other people view porn.

As well, we have our thoughts on the American Election, President Elect Joe Biden and Vice President Elect Kamala Harris.

Links:

https://reason.com/2018/01/11/the-performative-feminism-of-kamala-h/

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A lot is riding on young English soccer players to bring back glory not only for their country but for their town and club. Because not only are these players excepted to do well, they are expected to be exceptional. This is the story of the young players of England through the lens of Marcus Rashford and Raheem Sterling, which is a mirror to the young sports loving men of the world. To ask them, who is your enemy? And who is your prodigal son? 

Links:

- https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54689623

- https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/man-city-pay-tribute-after-the-death-of-former-youth-player-jeremy-wisten-254000

- https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/cast-adrift-how-football-is-failing-released-academy-players-254047

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Veronika is busy this week, so we invite Jake Stika, Executive Director in Next Gen Men(nextgenmen.ca) to talk about the upcoming American election as well deep diving into our new favorite TV show "Ted Lasso" to explain the positive masculinity in it.

Links:

• https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2020/10/23/trump-is-playing-the-man-card-according-to-new-documentary/#21d1e2c86ee9
• biden-hunter-kiss-masculinity.html"> https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/10/joe-biden-hunter-kiss-masculinity.html
• https://www.theringer.com/tv/2020/8/14/21367994/ted-lasso-apple-tv-jason-sudeikis

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The dress code is something we have discussed before but just casually, and I just keep thinking what is the big issue with the god damn dress code, why are we spending so much time on it, and why do people have so many different opinions on it. Well let me tell you that the dress code IS a big issue, because it’s a window to how our society treats women, men, our bodies, and our decency. 

Articles used:

https://www.racked.com/2018/7/2/17519874/dress-code-duct-tape-enforcement-violation

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/news/a44798/boys-wear-skirts-protest-dress-code/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/boys-in-several-quebec-high-schools-wear-skirts-to-protest-dress-code-1.5755570

https://noworegon.org/issues/model-student-dress-code/

 

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On this episode of Cold Takes, Veronika and I go into what it means to have gendered role models as we reflect how we grew up noticing gender (including school dress codes).

We also talk about the death of RBG and try to gingerly walk around the controversy of the movie 'Cuties.'

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Today we're joined with Garrett Carlson from https://dudefluencer.com/ to talk about his ex career, the one of teaching and what made him leave. His frustrations which mirrored my frustrations. This will be the first of a multi part series on the Education System. 

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On this week's Cold Takes, we take a look at what is the slippery slope that can make a socialist or leftist movement unwelcome for women and people of color. We also dive into the politics and masculinity of the documentary "Boys State"

• https://gen.medium.com/the-lefts-misogyny-problem-3fc37eea6e0e
• https://medium.com/mel-magazine/advice-for-the-bro-left-from-an-og-socialist-dd45572305cd
• https://www.vice.com/sv/article/yvekng/how-to-spot-a-brocialist-the-guys-with-righteous-politics-but-dodgy-attitudes-to-girls
• https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/24/16503462/dsa-women-cumtown-chapo
• https://www.amazon.ca/Women-Race-Class-Angela-Davis/dp/0394713516

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One of the biggest pet peeves I have when I read or look at things about gender, is the amount of assumptions we make around what makes a man and what makes a woman. How many times have you heard the word or phrase: “Men’s brains are like this and they think about sex all the time or they think about being the protector because that’s how they were born to be because of their real life masculine brain.” So in this episode we’re going to find out, are men really cavemen? And why essentialism is a slippery rope

Links:

mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.htm"> https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.htm

https://forge.medium.com/how-i-finally-got-men-to-talk-about-their-feelings-in-therapy-cddd48b0af4c

 

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In the latest episode of Cold Takes, we'll investigate what masculinity has to do whether you wear a mask or not. As well we go deep into what universal basic income is and how it can be a project worth fighting for.

Masks and Masculinity - 

- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/03/covid-19-masks-men-masculinity

- https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/politics-and-gender/article/toxic-maskulinity-the-link-between-masculine-toughness-and-affective-reactions-to-mask-wearing-in-the-covid19-era/8753DA181D76C7D59D6712C8F0C666E7

- https://www.nbcnews.com/think/video/masks-and-the-modern-man-liz-plank-on-what-covid-19-can-teach-us-about-manhood-89344581761

UBI

- https://www.versobooks.com/books/1847-four-futures

- https://pfd.alaska.gov/

- https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2020/05/universal-basic-income-is-gathering-support-has-it-ever-worked-and

 

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In the midst of the bigger conversation about Black Lives Matter, Abdul Malik sent me a message about something he has been thinking about for a while, the intersection of his culture within the ever-presence of toxic masculinity and white supremacy.

The intersection of race and masculinity is real, and we’re here to talk about it.

You can find Abdul Malik at abdulmalik.com or on Twitter @socialistraptor

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Today Veronika has a special treat in which she will share with us some findings of Sexual Violence awareness campaigns she's learned. As well we talk about the Male Happiness Scale and what really makes men happy (Hint: It's Jobs).

Research on Sexual Violence

• Amy R. Baugher and Julie A. Gazmararian: Masculine gender role stress and violence: A literature review and future directions
• Carline, A., Gunby, C., & Taylor, S. (2018). Too drunk to consent? Exploring the contestations and disruptions in male-focused sexual violence prevention interventions. Social & Legal Studies, 27(3), 299-322. https://www.doi.org/10.1177/0964663917713346  
• Silver, N., & Hovick, S. (2018). A schema of denial: The influence of rape myth acceptance on beliefs, attitudes, and processing of affirmative consent campaign messages. Journal of Health Communication, 23(6), 505-513. https://doi.org/10.1080/10810730.2018.1473532 

 

Resources on Sexual Violence

• SACE
• I am with you 
• Jeffrey Epstien documentary
• Catch and Kill
• Athlete A

 

Restorative Justice & Sexual Violence

• Traditional justice system responses don’t work for us (and we know it)eng.htm">https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/54870-eng.htm
• Restorative Justice
• • Difficult, but really wild TED Talk - Our story of rape and reconciliation | Thordis Elva and Tom Stranger.. Tom raped Thordis when they were teenagers….their ted talk together. 
  • https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/2019rsd-rr2019/p31.html
  • https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/i-do-forgive-him-as-a-human-rape-victim-confronts-her-attacker-in-restorative-justice-process-1.4665519

Harry’s Study on Men’s Happiness

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-strongest-predictor-of-men-s-well-being-isn-t-family-or-health?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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The Murder of George Floyd has sparked an international wave of reconsideration and doubt over many things. Many things that we may have considered as normal.

The main one has been around the idea of policing. What does policing look like in the modern world? And is it broken? And do we even need it? Questions that not only question the role of one of the most established institutions that we have, but questions that break open what systemic racism looks like in the US, Canada, and throughout the world. 

Most importantly, I have to recognize that this has been a cultural moment that started in the US. So I wanted to speak to people to John Morrison (@John_Liberator) and Josh Indy Leidy (@Indi_SRS) about not only the wave shift, the idea of police abolition, but also their fight to remove a Philadelphia acknowledgment of Frank Rizzo. 

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Two Weeks ago, George Floyd was murdered in the streets of Minneapolis. George Floyd, a black man whose body was treated like nothing, was killed by a police officer, while three other police officers stood by. All of this was caught on camera as another example of police brutality against black people. Ever since then, the cities of the world and especially in the US have exploded with protests, calls of action, calls for reform, calls for resignations, and calls for systemic change.

I invited two people who will be able to speak on their experience living as black people here in Edmonton. We will talk about what’s it like to be black here, as well as invite them to share their thoughts about the moment in America and here in Canada.

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Today on Cold Takes, Veronika and I talk about the Joe Biden sexual assault allegations, and the problem of partisanship within the #MeToo movement. As well, we will talk about the crappy neoliberal history of social work.

 

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If you look back at the 2019-2020 hockey season, it should be really eye opening to anyone who considers themselves a hockey fan. First came the misdemeanor charge for Auston Matthews, who intimidated a female security guard. Then came the firing of Mike Babcock and then the revelation of this toxic intimidating mind games towards his younger players, then came the revelations that Flames head coach Bill Peters used racist language towards a player of color, Akim Aliu. He was also fired from his job. Then came the firing of long time broadcaster Don Cherry after his xenophobic comments. Then came the racist zoombombing of black hockey player K’andre Miller. And now the Leipsic incidents

All of these incidents can be looked as isolated, in the moment, and not indicative of what the “culture” is like. And many have chosen to look at it that way, unfortunately. Another way to see this is the symptom of the culture that hockey, and dominant sports fandom creates. The toxic, racist, misogynistic culture that continues today, behind the scenes.

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Ask people to define what Positive masculinity is? Well, you’ll get a variety of answers, from being virtuous to being self-reliant, but not too self-reliant; being emotionally open, being a good father, or being a good partner.

It gets confusing, especially if we’re looking for examples! There’s a lot! But I get why we as men who really want to relieve ourselves from toxic masculinity want to look for what is positive masculinity. We want to be better, we want to be the opposite of toxic. At the same time, we get stuck with the definition. I believe there’s a reason for that. There’s a reason why we turn ourselves in knots.

I’m here to tell you that there isn’t any labels for positive masculinity. 

Links:

• Raewyn Connell: http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html
• Men's Lib Discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/cvau9g/lets_talk_about_positive_masculinity/
• New Masculinity Same as Old Masculinity: https://medium.com/the-establishment/meet-the-new-masculinity-same-as-the-old-masculinity-25dc5a65c7df
• Dr NerdLove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqXhUwNYnYQ

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CW: Talk about Suicide

On today's edition of Cold Takes, Veronika and I talk about the economic impacts for men and women in regards to COVID-19 and how it aligns with the genders. As well we went on a deep dive on the movie 'The Platform' (get it).

Articles discussed:

• The Platform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlfooqeZcdY
• Gender and The Economy: https://www.gendereconomy.org/primer-on-the-gendered-impacts-of-covid-19/
• Gender Based Violence Stats - https://canadianwomen.org/blog/covid-19-pandemic-gender-based-violence/
• Hasan Minhaj and Anand Giridharadas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS9CFBlLOcg

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COVID-19 affects the aging population at a greater risk than it does anyone else. Self-isolation we hear time and time again is not so much for us not to get the virus, but it’s so we don’t transmit it to the aging population who are at a higher risk to die. So for this Modern Manhood, you will hear from three aging males tell their stories of their life and the struggles they may face before we even knew about the coronavirus.

Articles:

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2020/3/27/21195762/coronavirus-older-people-quarantine-loneliness-health

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21173938/coronavirus-covid-19-social-distancing-elderly-epidemic-isolation-quarantine

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In this episode of Modern Manhood, we're going to start something new and hopefully something continous. A way of reacting to the news cycle and having some fluid conversations with someone who is not only a good friend, someone who came up in the volunteer space around gender about the same time. Introducing "Cold Takes" a space to talk about articles and everyday life with my co-host Veronika Ilich, coordinator for Next Gen Men.

In this episode, we talk about BBC report about worldwide UN gender studies. And another report where it showed mothers being more unpleasant about little boy's emotions than fathers.

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For the 100th episode of Modern Manhood, I want to think about the future. I asked people from the r/MensLib and Next Gen Men community to send me recordings of what they think the future of masculinity would be like. And you will hear my thoughts on the future of politics and culture in regard to gender. As well as ponder about the end of gender. 

Everyday Sociology article: future-of-gender.html">https://www.everydaysociologyblog.com/2018/06/the-future-of-gender.html

MM100 Party!: https://www.facebook.com/events/614647642701514/

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Cleo Stiller is the writer of Modern Manhood: Conversations about the Complicated World of Bring a Good Man Today, and we had an awesome chat about the book Modern Manhood, (obviously our values align here) and where the conversation about some of these tough issues around gender begin, and where we can go. 

As well, there is a SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

You can find all of Cleo's work at cleostiller.net

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(CW: Sexual Assault)

I know of Kobe Bryant. I know the titles, I know the 81 points, I know when he wanted to be called Black Mamba like in Kill Bill, I know the commercials, I have even said “Kobe!” when I shoot paper basketballs at garbage cans. I also know about the rape case, I know about Denver, I know about the trial, and I know about the arrest. 

What is appropriate to say at these times? And why can’t we say the full story, the full complexity of humanity? 

Think Progress Piece: https://thinkprogress.org/the-legacy-of-the-kobe-bryant-rape-case-6a42f159be7b/

Jessica Valenti: https://gen.medium.com/why-do-mens-legacies-matter-more-than-women-s-safety-b832c43735e9

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Today, we speak to writer Barrett Swanson, who attended an EVRYMAN men's retreat and wrote about it for Harper’s for a piece titled "Men at Work". He will tell us through his eyes, what some of the red flags, emotionally, physical, and sociological groups like EVRYMAN can be. 

You can find Barrett at: https://www.barrettswanson.com/

Men At Work you can read here: 01-19.pdf"> https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58fa0c831b631b196e64ad3a/t/5dd970c38f514102b43bcab7/1574531272477/Swanson+11-01-19.pdf

 

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On the last episode of Modern Manhood, we surveyed the landscape of masculinity in the last ten years starting from Tony Porter’s Man Box and the election of Rob For all the way to end of 2017

In this episode, the first of 2020, we continue the conversation with Jake Stika, Executive Director at Next Gen Men, highlighting what caused ripples in the world of gender and masculinity. 

Starting from Van Attack in Toronto all the way to the Don Cherry firing, finishing off with what we think the next ten years will look like for us and this world

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It’s been ten years since Tony Porter introduced The Man Box to us.

A tool and a theory that has shaped the way we see gender with men, and the system that hurts us and hurts others. 

But a theory is only as good as it’s proof of concept. And you can say that in the last ten years The Man Box theory has been proven over and over again.

On this episode and the one after this of Modern Manhood, we’ll look back at the 2010’s with my friend and the Executive Director of Next Gen Men, Jake Stika. 

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Lately, we have seen a lot of warnings. From moms, dads, from adults that are worried about their sons. Their sons, for the most part, are easily susceptible and can be easily manipulated into communities online that are toxic, unhelpful, and in some cases downright dangerous.

Most of this is happening online, and for a lot of caregivers, they are fighting an everyday battle to just understand what is going in the digital lives of their sons. And right now they are losing the war. 

In this special episode, I will show you the live talk that I did in front of an audience at the Diverse Voices conference about anti-violence here in Edmonton, Alberta. This is a community issue and one that must be faced by everyone, and I thought it was appropriate to bring to this conference. I also was lucky to be joined by Michael Hoyt from the City of Edmonton to talk about sorts of healthy communities, like Men Sheds. 

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Learning about masculinities, gender power structures, and feminist ideals can be key when people are organizing to fight the climate crisis. 

So in this episode of Modern Manhood, we’re going to take some of the beautiful speeches done at the Wolfpack about the environment, and weave it with ideas and thoughts about masculinity and the environment.

Links:

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/11/21/analysis/independent-alberta-would-be-worlds-worst-climate-polluter (Alberta, if they secede, would be the number 1 polluter per person)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/men-resist-green-behavior-as-unmanly/ (men resist green behavior as unmanly)

https://www.humansandnature.org/humans-nature-the-right-relationship (Humans and Nature)

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The way Albertans reconcile with the Oil industry is a major way in which Albertans see their own identity, and the people who work in the oil patches are also in the crossfires and have been for ages. The rates of suicides went up, the rates of negative mental health have also gone up.  Today we talk to Dylan Rhys Howard, one of the directors for the documentary "Digging in the Dirt" which talks about these things.

These are the un-talked about consequences of the oil industry. Un-talked about until recently.

Links:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/omarmouallem/oil-heartbreak-and-manhood (Oil, Heartbreak, and Manhood)

canada.ca/2018/11/peak-oil/">https://www.nsi-canada.ca/2018/11/peak-oil/ (Peak Oil)

https://dylanrhyshoward.com/portfolio/digging-in-the-dirt/ (Digging in the Dirt)

some-oilpatch-workers-a-sober-life-means-the-end-of-a-lucrative-career.html">https://www.thestar.com/calgary/2019/04/21/for-some-oilpatch-workers-a-sober-life-means-the-end-of-a-lucrative-career.html (Star-Metro)

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Oil and Gas dominated the conversation for both elections here, and the people involved are caught in the crossfire. The workers who are mostly men have come to demonstrate the stereotype of Alberta men, the pickup driving, beer-drinking, hard ass. 

Yet, they are just humans as well. How has this industry affected the men who work there, and affected the community around it? The way that we look at Oil in Alberta is very common to how we look at dominant masculinity. 

Articles mentioned:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/04/alberta-canadas-tar-sands-is-growing-but-indigenous-people-fight-back/ (National Geographic)

https://www.pyriscence.ca/home/2017/9/30/boys-will-be-boys-albertas-toxic-oil-culture (Pyriscene)

https://www.parklandinstitute.ca/how_gender_and_race_shape_experiences_of_work_in_albertas_oil_industry (Parkland Institute)

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/monitor/extractive-populism-and-future-canada (Canadian Center for Policy Alternatives)

 

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Two months ago we talked about mentoring young men here at The Pint for Wolfpack. We're going to hear from a school counselor and a person from Big Brothers and Big Sisters about mentoring young men. Young men are feeling much more anxious, there is a lot more questioning of how men quote unquote should be in society. And there’s also a lot more complexity in the world, which allows not only for more breathing room for being your own self, but there’s a lot more pressure to pick a self that you want to be.

So the question around what it means to be a man, to me, breaks down to how do we treat our young boys? 

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Fat. It was a word that I was called when I was a kid, and a word that I still get called, by myself. It was the constant barrage of images and messages of what it was to look like a man. I wanted to examine why as men we’re very obsessed with not being fat. And the mental gymnastics people do to justify insulting people who are fat, and then insult themselves.

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In this episode, we go through a personal journey of how I am reconciling my feelings on Junot Diaz and Michael Kimmel. As well wondering how far do we take issues of "cancellation."

How do we separate the message from the man? Or do we not?

Carl Landra and Veronika Ilich join me in helping me navigate these muddy waters.

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We’re here in 2019 because the media created a monster. So much that being anti-racist and anti-sexual harrassment or using gender pronouns or talking about toxic masculinity is somehow a political thing. Or that we’ve come to the point where issues that I think are community issues is now a wedge between man vs woman or left vs right. 

This type of media is not working anymore. And this media created a monster that platforms dangerous and troubling ideas.

How is the media handling this? How is the media dealing with gender in a bigger case? We speak with Michelle Da Silva from Xtra to find out more.

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We had an awesome Wolf Pack last time. It was our one year anniversary of Wolf Pack in Edmonton and we celebrated by talking about how work has a gendered lens to it. Either through the careers we choose, to the trouble we give to men and women who are not working their “traditional work roles." We wanted to hear from the people that have experienced both sides of the coin, and to try to get to the gritty knowledge of what it’s like to be in those roles.

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Toxic Masculinity, it’s what many people think this podcast is about, a term that comes loaded with many definitions: gender roles and dominations, expression of emotions, the opposite of healthy masculinity, whatever that looks like, and what can be noted as traditional. All of them  add to the confusion of what Toxic Masculinity, a phrase that is entrenched in our vernacular, actually is. So I ask, does the media get this essential part right? 

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The way that masculinity gets talked about in the general mainstream media really annoys me. 

If anyone wants to learn more about how masculinity shapes our daily life, or how gender affects the world at large, the media does a piss poor job of explaining even the basic of concepts. How does someone even learn about multiple masculinities, gender inequality structures, systemic issues that deal with masculinity?

Is there a solution to all of this? Or is this even a problem? 

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Ryan if you don’t know is one of the co-founders of Men Edmonton, and most importantly one of the men that guided me into the pro-feminist masculinity movement. I met him at a coffee shop in Edmonton, he wanted to suss me out before I could join Men Edmonton. Well i guess I fit the bill and I was invited in, and have been thankful ever since. And now he’s joined the Next Gen Men family, as the Program Manager for Wolf Pack.

We got a chance to talk about what it's like to be at a Wolf Pack, the highs, the challenges, and the tension. About the group and about masculinity in general

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To celebrate the third anniversary of Modern Manhood, I asked for people to submit questions that they have wonderings of in regards to masculinity and gender. So here's me answering a few. We're going to talk about: 

-Straight Man's Anxiety

-Young Boys

-Facts and Logic Bros

-Men's Groups

Links: Harper Bazaar's "Men have No Friends and Women Bear The Burden", design-of-everyday-men.pdf"> Deloitte's "The Design of Everyday Man"

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We have been talking about the relationship between men and female friends for a long time. It was the basis of the movie When Harry Met Sally, a good 5 years before Friends invented the Friendzone. 

The issue is that the lesson of those movies and in fact of society is that men and women are sooooo attracted to each other that they cannot be friends.

So today, I’m going to give you a small treat, I’m going to give you a listen to the last WolfPack we did here in Edmonton, to get a chance to listen to our storytellers talk about The Friendzone.

Jessica runs Ripple Effect, go check her events out

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There is a notion especially in western society that environmentalism is deemed girly or not manly. Either by being vegetarian, caring about animals, or just caring about the environment in general.

Why is that? Even though issues like climate change is a non-gendered issue that affects everyone, men for the most part resist green behaviour or activism. Why do a lot of men think being eco-friendly is unmanly?

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Even in the year 2019, there is a worry about the label of feminism when it comes to men. I just want to be clear, when I get a chance to talk to a lot of men there’s a lot they agree with in regards to pro-feminist values. You know except a few idiots here and there that try to be contrarian. It might feel like those idiots are everywhere but they’re not. Not that I see anyways, I see a lot of guys that are confused, misinformed, feeling shamed, feeling anxious about what they should support. They’re worried that if they embrace the word feminism, that they are more prone not only from other men but from women who are now holding them to a much higher standard.

My question is, why is that label so hard to hurdle? why is it so hard for men to say that they are feminist?

Men's Lib Thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/b9vs3u/do_you_believe_that_menslib_should_be_considered/

and my episode with Matthew Hodges from MensLib

The Man's Survey: https://www.chatelaine.com/survey-define-masculinity/

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The brunt of parenting and the fathers who are working to make a better more equitable world is tough when you think about ideas like paternity leave and mentorship. We’re going to talk to two individuals who are taking these two outcomes to reality. Two fathers, two lives, and their thoughts around gender, and fatherhood in modern world.

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Ever since the movement to create better ideals around masculinity, there have been a lot of popular male figures stepping up to the plate to talk these issue. None bigger though than movie and TV star, Terry Crews.

I got to hear Terry speak in an event hosted by the Alberta Council of Women's Shelter, so from then I wonder what is it about Terry Crews that we like? Why is he the flame in which this message gets carried on? Or is he just a man? Flawed like any other?

 

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Hockey, one of the most masculine sports in Canada. So much so, that a lot of Canadians feel a certain set of confidence when we measure it up with other sports. In the manliest of manliest of professional sports in Canada, how does masculinity play with how we view violence and gender? We speak to Tim Skuce from Brandon University and Megan McCormick.

 

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Youth for the most part, they understand the rules but usually hate playing by them, and question why they’re there to begin with. In their eyes issues like gender and equality are night and day and they question why don't adults understand? So how do we teach youth when adults are fighting this battle as well. How do we teach boys when men are confused as well?

This episodes includes conversations with Carrie Starbuck from Happy Lands and Nick Sandor from Man Made

A clip from CBC Metro Morning with Matt Galloway is included

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A lot of think pieces came out after the story of the Covington young men, and many focused on the social education of young men, and of the work educators of all stripes need to do create healthy role models for men. So we will talk to two young male healthy relationship teachers (Jonathan Reed, Brendan Kwiatokski), and hear from youth as well. 

Brendan is at Remasculate

Jon's Breaking The Boy Code

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In the past few years there have been countless and countless examples of how gender has shaped our conversation, and how a lot of men and society are working to have this conversation around masculinity. #MeToo has ignited that conversation ten fold. For this episode I wanted to go back to those instances and talk about that......but then a perfect little storm happened when Gillette focused their new ad campaign tackling Toxic Masculinity

We will explore the ad and the discussion around it with Al Harris, Nick Sandor, and Elliott Tanti.

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Robert Kandell is an accomplished teacher, coach, and lecturer, helping men find themselves and utilize their internal power for fourteen years.

He is the host of the well-known podcast, Tuff Love and is currently writing his book, unHIDDEN – A Book for Men and Those Who Are Confused By Them.     In here we talk about men’s feelings, mens’ next steps, and you’ll also listen to me ramble on and on about systemic change. Stay tuned.

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In 2018, a lot of things happened, and it’s hard to encapsulate all of what happened, and all the thoughts around gender and masculinity I had into a lot of what went on. So to help me not only look back and think forward, I invited my buddy, Jake Stika who is the Executive Director of Next Gen Men to take some time dissecting the year that happened and look forward to the year that is going to be

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Wanted to do a quick interview with David Lion who is starting a summit with his own interviews around masculinity. It's going on right now, and through this he explains his process and his own life. Check it out at men.com%20">Summit.evolving-men.com  

(PS, there's a bit of sound problem at the end, blame the Zoom thing!)

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Trent Wilkie is a writer/journalist/performer in Edmonton Alberta, Canada, and host to The UnDad Podcast. We continue this conversation with Trent and we touch upon subjects like crying in public, and the release of it. As well as answering a question I always had in my mind, why don't parents give themselves more credit?

We are supported by the Otherwise Show, Let's Do Coffee, and of course Next Gen Men

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Trent Wilkie is a writer/journalist/performer in Edmonton Alberta, Canada. Trent has written for everything from CBC Radio (The Irrelevant Show) to Adbusters to Fangoria to almost every print media in Edmonton. He is also an experienced canoe guide, he in his words "considers the deep dark woods a therapy that only comes at the cost of comfort." Trent is also a new father late in his life, and someone who was adopted at a young age.This is one of many reasons why I wanted to talk to Trent about his vision for manhood, his ideas around fatherhood, and his wonderings about therapy.

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Brendan Kwitkowski, a Ph.D. student out of the University of Edinburgh, and a Canadian teacher out of BC, spent his master’s research time wondering why were 81% of students diagnosed with behavioural disorders male? Why are males 4-7 times more likely to commit suicide?

Those questions (among others) led him towards research that held the socialization of males at least partially responsible for these worrying statistics. So he dug further and did some research with young men.

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Vivek Shraya is an award winning artist artist who has published many books before but her newest book, titled I’m Afraid of Men, explores how masculinity was imposed on her as a boy and continues to haunt her as a girl—and how we might reimagine gender for the twenty-first century. Not only that, she’s a person who is my age and was raised in Edmonton.

This is why I wanted to talk to her and I was lucky to do just that before she spoke at LitFest and interviewing Tegan And Sara at macEwan university.

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