You need to know what's happening in deep-sea mining, or what's not happening in deep-sea mining. I kept hearing different stories about how close deep-sea mining was to becoming a reality. At times it concerned me and at other times I was just thinking that it was never going to happen. Over the past year, things have seemed to progress and you might be seeing more stories in the media about the topic. That is happening for a reason and it's partly due to the work of a small group of people that became a resource to the industry on both sides of the industry. My guest today is here to tell us the biggest things that have happened over the past 13 years. Dr. Andrew Thaler joins the podcast to tell us about his four years as Editor-In-Chief of the Deep-Sea Mining Observer and how it filled a gap in knowledge to the press on the latest stories in the industry.