Declining government support for state schools and private colleges that prioritize educational mission over efficiency are two contributing factors the to sky-high costs of college in the U.S. Some critics of President Biden's debt relief plan say forgiving loans does not address the root of the issue. Chronicle of Higher Education senior writer Lee Gardner joins us. And, new research shows that ants are better at killing pests, reducing plant damage and yielding more crops than pesticides. Entomologist and professor of science communication at the University of Gloucestershire Adam Hart joins us.