It seems everyone is talking up gas expansion as a solution to ending the climate crisis. Federal resources minister Madeleine King says Australia needs to remain an essential supplier of gas, while opposition leader Peter Dutton is telling the gas industry to fight off Labor’s ‘renewable zealotry’. But in reality gas power is undeniably in decline. Gabrielle Jackson talks to Guardian Australia’s editor-in-chief Lenore Taylor and live news editor Patrick Keneally about why we need to talk about the fossil fuel