The word "jihad" - chanted during a pro-Palestinian rally in London over the weekend - has led to questions about whether laws governing hate crime need reform. The word can be interpreted in different ways; for some, it means struggle or effort in Arabic, but it has also been taken to refer to holy war. And the police made no arrests in this case. The "jihad" chants were made at a side rally by members of the Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir which is banned in many countries including some majority Muslim ones. There are now questions about why the group has not been banned here as the Home Secretary Suella Braveman and Met Police chief Sir Mark Rowley met earlier. On this Sky News Daily Tom Cheshire explores the word "jihad", and where the law stands with people using it, with our crime correspondent Martin Brunt. Plus, Tom is joined by journalist Duncan Gardham, who writes about terrorism and extremism and tells us more about the Hizb ut-Tahrir group. Podcast producer: Soila Apparicio Interviews producer: Melissa Tutesigensi Promotion producer: David Chipakupaku Senior podcast producer: Annie Joyce Editor: Wendy Parker