John deBary is the author of Drink What You Want, co-founder of Restaurant Workers' Community Foundation and our podcast's first White guest. John tells us about his grandfather, Wm. Theodore de Bary, who is one of the most well-known East Asian scholars in the West and shares his own personal history with East Asian culture. We also dive into allyship and congee. Follow John on ig @jnd3001 and buy his zero-proof beverage line Proteau! Also don't forget to like, subscribe and support us on Patreon :)