Jim Bradley is professor emeritus of mathematics at Calvin College. He’s currently helping lead a multi-year project called Randomness and Divine Providence. Michael Ruse is a professor of philosophy at Florida State University. His books include “The Darwinian Revolution: Science Red in Tooth and Claw” and “Science and Spirituality: Making Room for Faith in the Age of Science.” This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode “Jim Bradley + Michael Ruse — The Evolution of the Science-Religion Debate.” Find more at onbeing.org.