It's safe to say the current podcast industry is turbulent at best. With the recent news that Spotify gutted Gimlet Media, to the abundance of available content, to video podcasts outperforming audio shows, many are wondering what sets a podcast apart. And what does it mean to make a good podcast in 2023 that also makes enough money to survive? Vulture podcast critic Nick Quah recently wrote about these trends, and returns to the show to mull over the industry today and preview the best new shows to listen to this summer. Plus, we take your calls to find out what you're listening to.