Anne Applebaum makes the argument that there is a global campaign by autocratic countries like Russia and China to discredit democracy and liberalism. MAGA supporters are also being influenced by propaganda campaigns on issues like Ukraine and COVID and are also starting to believe that democracy and human rights are not worth fighting for.

Guest: Anne Applebaum, staff writer at The Atlantic and author of the soon to be released Autocracy, Inc: The Dictators Who Want To Run The World.