There’s a nightmare economic downturn on the cards, but unions were deeply involved in the emergency bailout plans. Is organised Labour about to re-enter policymaking for the first time in over 40 years? What can unions do for women workers in an economy in turmoil? And how can we rebuild better? TUC General Secretary FRANCES O’GRADY tells Ayesha Hazarika about the role unions can play not just in fixing the economy, but in transforming it.  “Seven in ten care workers are on less than £10 an hour. What has gone wrong?” “Women are realising their own value. And that public support has been really important.”  “Let’s be ambitious for ordinary working people.” “The public mood has changed, when we’ve got so many so-called self-employed delivery drivers who don’t have those key rights.”  “This can’t all end with the clapping on Thursday nights.”  Presented by Ayesha Hazarika. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producer Jacob Archbold. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Audio production by Alex Rees. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices