This episode is the beginning of 08/18's show followed by the end of 08/11's show, and is essentially a bonus episode.  We discuss the bipartisan failure of the US involvement in Afghanistan and the botched withdrawal. We also talk about what to do with the refugees and the horrors they face.  We also discuss death and COVID in the second half, with a humidor thrown in for good measure. Our guest in the first half is Jim from Meaning Forge podcast, a moderate conservative Christian.