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No one quite knows how to feel as we start to process the shock passing of Chef and TV Host Jock Zonfrillo. There’s grief and confusion, and some unanswered questions. In this episode we ask ourselves - what are we the public owed when a high-profile person dies?

Plus, the fanciest party of the year has just occurred, and while the Met Gala headlines speak to a runway of spectacular dresses, we can’t stop thinking about cats, cancellation, and Karl Lagerfeld.

And the major etiquette rule we love that is very simple in theory, but incredibly difficult to actually do.

The End BitsRead Jessie's article: We know that Jock Zonfrillo died suddenly. But here's what we do not know.

Listen to our last episode: Three Women, Three Friendship Break-Ups

RECOMMENDATIONS: Jessie wants you to watch John Mulaney's comedy special, Baby J on Netflix. 

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