Lord Norman Tebbit, former chairman of the Conservative party and prominent cabinet minister during the Thatcher era joins Christopher Hope to discuss if we're in a Cummings government or a Johnson one, what we think we can learn from the 1980s about the unemployment crisis to come, and the department our Prime Minister would have run in Thatcher's government (spoiler: it's none of them). 

Plus Mark Francois, the chairman of the European Research Group of Tory MPs, on why he's become pen pals with the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, and Director General of the British Chambers of Commerce, Adam Marshall, tells us it's our civic duty to support local businesses as the lockdown eases. 

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