In this episode, Jim chats with a fellow Covskin and a Championship stalwart Ben Gulliver about his career and life playing in the second tier of English rugby. Ben played over 300 times in the championship and experienced the highs of playing alongside his hero, Zinzan Brooke, to the lows of having to undergo 21 operations. The guys chat through the challenges the league faces in terms of funding and supporting players, but also the importance of the competition whilst taking a trip down memory lane when their careers overlapped. Ben is also a big supporter of the women's game and talks about how he sees it evolving. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices