Ex-pat Kiwi Ray Ching is regarded as one of the world's greatest living painters of birds. His latest book is filled with paintings and drawing he's made of the manu of his homeland over the past six decades. But New Zealand Bird Paintings is more than a series of stunning pictures. Ray also pays his tribute to the many species of birds long extinct here, as well as the chances of current birds surviving. Working with Ray on this big book has been his long time friend and agent, Jonathan Gooderham , and author Geoff Norman. Lynn Freeman speaks with Jonathan and Geoff, and first asks Jonathan about a photo in the book of Ray's workspace.