Tan France says people think he was "plucked out of nowhere and they're right." Despite being best known for his role on Queer Eye as a fashion designer and entrepreneur, he had never aspired to be a television personality. Our conversation centered around his upbringing as a South Asian in the UK, his identity as a Pakistani, and his experiences as a brown and queer individual who has often felt like an outsider. We also delved into his experiences filming Queer Eye and his latest show, Next in Fashion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices