Welcome to Talk Heathen where we have Jmike joined by ObjectivelyDan who will see what caller has evidence the gospels are historical. First caller is Devan in MI who describes proof as the handy work and god as the mechanic. How do you falsify this position? Why does it have to be the Christian god? We can all construct a hypothesis about anything, but it must allow for falsification. How would you know what a non-designed thing looks like? The gospels make particular claims about the world and the life of Jesus, and this is where we take issue. If this is hard to swallow, why do you believe it? What other stories like Joseph Smith and Muhammad can we consider to be plausible?Zach in NY is next, who used to be a follower of Sam Harris and wants to talk about free will. His position is that it is difficult to claim any kind of truth without it being grounded in faith and there are gaps and limitations in what atheists know as truth. When we think something is true, there is a justification for that belief, not faith. Free will means there are intentional states laden with the ability to choose. Does an agent's attitude towards a proposition have anything to do with whether or not that the proposition is true? How does volition sneak in when there is this entire trail of explanations? Did you conclude Jesus rose from the dead before or after considering these arguments? The strength of a secular world view is we don’t have to explain the claims made in scriptures. Here To Serve in NY questions the use of the word faith in relation to the hosts being former Christians and that the hosts were never true Christians. Why don’t you make us true Christians by giving us evidence? An argument using logical propositions is not the same thing as evidence. Arguments do not lead to evidence. We look at evidence first and that leads us to the conclusion. Whenever you have a trail of reasoning, the premises must be true. Ad hominem fallacies do not prove anything about the seven day cycle. Thank you for tuning in this week and please join us next time to see who can provide the evidence that gets us to believe!