On this week’s episode: Jamilah and Elizabeth are joined by Zenovia Stephens, founder and CEO of Black Kids Adventures. They strategize ways a mom can help her tween power through her Sunday night blues. Then they debate if large age gaps between kids really leads to emotional distance and weak bonds between siblings.  In Slate Plus: Zenovia talks about the importance of getting yourself and your kids outside. Slate Plus members get a bonus segment on MADAF each week, and no ads. Sign up now to listen and support our work. Recommendations: Elizabeth recommends a wireless pocket microscope for outdoor adventures.   Zenovia recommends Vanicream Moisturizing Cream.  Jamilah recommends cooking with flavored butters, specifically truffle butter.  Join us on Facebook and email us at momanddad@slate.com to ask us new questions, tell us what you thought of today’s show, and give us ideas about what we should talk about in future episodes.    Podcast produced by Rosemary Belson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices