For the first time this summer, viewers watched streaming services like Netflix, YouTube, and Disney+ more than broadcast or cable television. Looking ahead all signs point to streaming to reign at the top of TV for the foreseeable future. What does that mean for the future of TV?

5 Things Sunday host James Brown sat down with USA TODAY's TV critic Kelly Lawler to discuss the current state of TV. In a word, its' "messy" she said. She talks about the rising cost of streaming services and the drop in content as well as the TV trend she calls "mediocre TV" and what that means and more.

For more on the state of TV:

Nielsen: The Gauge Reveals Streaming Surpassed Cable for the First Time in July, Capturing its Largest Share of TV Viewing to Date

HBO Max and Discovery+ are merging. Here's when, why and what's changing

Netflix lost a million more subscribers, plans cheaper version with ads: What that means for you

Streaming costs: Disney Plus without ads will rise $3 to $10.99, Hulu prices also going up

Watch a trailer for Kelly's recommendation, We are Lady Parts on Peacock

Follow James Brown and Kelly Lawler on Twitter.

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