My guest today is someone I consider an important teacher in my life, Stephen Jenkinson. He is a cultural activist, he is a farmer and a philosopher. He is the author of a number of books including some that are my favourites. He presents life as it really is and because he has worked with the dying for so many years, he attempts to anchor us in the reality of where we are. There isn't a time that we need this more.This might not appear to be a very cheerful conversation but if you understand my work, I expect to have one of the most cheerful conversations about the reality of where we are today. This is definitely an important moment in my life when I meet one of my teachers.  Stephen Jenkinson is an author, a farmer and a philosopher. He has years of experience as a palliative care worker and is a former programme director at a major Canadian hospital. Stephen has Master’s degrees from Harvard University (Theology) and the University of Toronto (Social Work). He is also a co-founder of The Orphan Wisdom School. Listen as we discuss:

• 03:30 - Tie your camel 
• 05:00 - The internal shift 
• 07:00 - A Wondering Dervish 
• 08:00 - A useful compromise 
• 11:30 - The human struggle 
• 15:00 - Is it too late? 
• 16:30 - Finding peace 
• 22:00 - The answer is asking the right question 
• 26:30 - Hunger for money 
• 30:00 - What the soul needs 
• 33:00 - The spirit work 
• 37:30 - From awful to awe 
• 40:00 - A drop of the Divine in us all 
• 42:00 - Gilgamesh 
• 45:30 - More God than you need? 

 Find out more about Stephen Jenkinson and his work here.

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