Tom Papa tells us about learning to bake bread between comedy gigs, the question he always gets asked about sourdough starters and why his favorite food memory isn’t his grandmother’s cooking, but her jars of gherkin pickles. Plus, we chat with Mark Diacono about all things bitter, fermented and sour; journalist Bianca Bosker shares the history of supermarkets; and we learn a Vietnamese technique for cooking with caramel.

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