This week on the podcast, Angela is joined once again by Sheila Heti, whose book, Pure Color, is available now. Sheila is also the author of many other books, including How Should a Person Be? and Motherhood. This episode is about beards, birds, fish, and which one you are. Sheila and Angie also talk about being critical, not wanting to be 18 again, and why looking at your phone may be as important as looking at the sky. Delightfully, they are jointed by Feldman, Sheila's loyal dog who is asleep beside her. You can hear him snoring, softly. Sheila's serialized diaries are available on The New York Times. Next time: Jason Diamond. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices