• Mike talks about his interesting afternoon helping Alyssa record videos for her music video for school.
• Mike introduces Dr. Michelle Oyola (Shelly X. Leon), their guest for this episode.
• Michelle explains how she started her podcast, The Writers XL.
• She discusses YouTube for writers, Wattpad.
• Wattpad uses The Writers XL as a platform to get the word out about the platform.
• Michelle explains that Wattpad is thought of as a bunch of Harry Styles fiction from fans.
• She discusses how hard it was to publish a book and how she used Wattpad to get her book in front of people.
• Her agent found her on Wattpad
• Mike discusses what inspired him to start writing the two books he is currently writing.
• Michelle discusses that many agents don't like authors who got started on Wattpad.
• She says the Wattpad community helped her elevate her work to a level where an agent was willing to take her on.
• They discuss Nanowrimo and how stressful it can be.
• Michelle says that LL Montez, her co-host, loves Nanowrimo.
• They discuss blogging and how it can be the worst and the best experience.
• Mike discusses his difficulty writing in a fun style. He gravitates towards “professional” tone.
• Michelle explains why Wattpad may not be a great place to go if you are an author
• Michelle says that people who strike their own path are starting to become the success stories.
• Mike discusses some decisions made on licensing on their podcast directory.
• Michelle says that people who strike their own path are starting to become the success stories.
• Michelle says the advantage of traditional publishing is that she has an agent to handle negotiations.
• Michelle mentions that self-publishing is for those who are hungry.

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