As Desmond begins bouncing through time, we consider the idea that giving in to the course-correcting nature of the universe is a form of cowardice, and that Penny is right when she calls Desmond a coward. We also interview Charles Widmore actor Alan Dale, who compares his character to the current president of the United States. Find us on Twitter @TheHatchPodcast and at facebook.com/TheHatchPodcast. Leave us your hot take by phone at +1 954-6-DHARMA. Our theme music is by Andy G. Cohen and our cover art is by Danny Roth.