When Kat Kinsman first interviewed Sean Brock in 2011, she couldn't imagine sitting onstage for a with him eight years later, because she honestly didn't believe he'd live that long. Since that first conversation, Brock has gone through illness, intervention, and the day-to-day work of recovery, and he's been speaking about the pain, reckoning, accountability, and self care that goes along with it in the hope that people can find a way forward for themselves and the people in their lives. Kinsman and Brock sat down for an extremely personal public conversation at Blackberry Farm for the Sam Beall Fellows Program annual Passing the Torch fundraiser. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices