If you’re sent into an anxiety spiral every time you hear the words “climate change,” you’re not alone. Everything we read these days tells us that the clock is ticking down, and there is nothing we as individuals can do about it. But we talked to climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe recently, and she told us that yeah, things are bad … but it’s not hopeless! You can shop Katharine’s new book, “Saving Us: A Climate Scientist's Case for Hope and Healing in a Divided World,” from our Bookshop.org storefront or wherever you buy books.

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