This week Gary Kemp and Guy Pratt chat to producer extraordinaire William Orbit about his career and his new record 'The Painter'. It's his first brand new album in over 8 years and is out in August.

In an open and candid conversation they also discuss how art saved him, the dark secrets of recording bass, working with Blur on their '13' album and, of course, Madonna...oh and gangster squirrels.

Rockonteurs is produced by Ben Jones and Ian Callaghan for Gimme Sugar Productions

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