While America watches the first public interview with president-elect Dunwalke since election night, sitting president Pierce begins a more private conversation. As one man lays out his vision for the country, another enlists his oldest friend in a desperate attempt to save it. New to Terms? Subscribe on smarturl.it/termsp. If you enjoyed the show, help us spread the word by telling your friends about it, following us on twitter.com/termspodcast, and completing a quick survey at Wondery.com/survey. Thanks for listening. Thank you to our sponsors!

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