My guests today are music producer Rick Rubin and poet, translator, scholar, and anthologist Stephen Mitchell. You may have heard Rick's name over the years as one of the founders of DEF jam records, nine-time Grammy winner, host and creator of the TV documentary show 'McCartney 3, 2, 1' and host of the podcast Broken Record. Rick has worked with artists such as the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Slayer, Johnny Cash, Kanye West, Jay Z and the Beastie Boys. As a friend, Rick had gifted me a book 'Tao Te Ching' by Lao Tzu, and he had given me the Stephen Mitchell version. Fortunately, Stephen Mitchell is a friend of mine. His works include the Bhagavad-Gita, Gilgamesh, The Gospel According to Jesus, and Loving What Is, which he co-authored with his wife Byron Katie. It was a real dream for me to have these two men sitting across from one another to have a conversation prompted by the Tao. Both of them are thoughtful, creative, precise, and unique in their approach to living. I hope you enjoy. Connect with Gabby @gabbyreece | Linktree For show notes and past guests, please visit gabriellereece.com/podcast The Gabby Reece Show talks to top experts with the goal of extracting the best information you will need to navigate the universe of health, fitness, relationships, parenting, and business. Gabby keeps it simple but gets to the heart of the conversation with the hopes of providing you with realistic takeaways. Stephen Mitchell Info: Stephenmitchellbooks.com The Way of Forgiveness, Iron Hans, The Essence of Wisdom, Loving What Is, The Wishing Bone, On Work and Money, a Book of Psalms, Genesis, Jesus, The Enlightened Mind, Dropping Ashes on the Buddha, and The First Christmas Stephen has many more books available. Rick Rubin Info: Twitter @rickrubin Instagram: @rickrubin Tetragrammaton.com Rick has a book coming out in 2022. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices