#236 Don’t Look Down - Richard has yet another stomach upset, adding some much needed jeopardy to the podcast. And it’s a meeting of Turner Prize winners past and future as his guest is a name that will echo through the ages (hello future humans) Grayson Perry.

They discuss God-like soft toys, the similarities between comedy and art, motorcycle clothing, women’s clothing, masculinity, gender rigidity, who Grayson actually shared a squat with, making sandwiches in a hairdressers, Jerry and Rupert making love on top of a homeless person, how the rich provide an ark that can take art to the future, asking an artist what his favourite colour is, whether art’s job is to observe or attempt to affect change, biting the hand that feeds and adolescent numbness. 

In memory of Tony Brennan.

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