Expanding oil extraction and clean energy, supporting capitalism while fighting climate change: can humans ever really have it all? In their new books, authors Hope Jahren and Rebecca Henderson explore how a healthy climate might coexist with a consumption-driven economy — and what we need to change to get the best of both worlds. Meanwhile, is Norway the perfect example of having it all — or just a walking contradiction? Like “a drug dealer who doesn’t use its own product”, Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is the largest in the world, supported exclusively by petroleum revenues. As they continue to explore new avenues for drilling, the country has also moved away from using the fossil fuels they produce, electrifying their economy and leading in climate friendly technologies. Visit climateone.org/watch-and-listen/podcasts for more information on today's episode. Guests (Part 1): Hope Jahren, Researcher, Centre for Earth Evolution and Dynamics, University of Oslo Rebecca Henderson, John and Natty McArthur University Professor, Harvard University Guests (Part 2): Richard Milne, Nordic and Baltic Correspondent, The Financial Times Sveinung Rotevatn, Norwegian Minister of Climate and Environment Part 1 of this program was recorded on April 7, 2020. Part 2 of this program was recorded on May 25, 2020. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices