Auntie has tightened the purse strings as this weekend millions of over 75s will have to start paying for their license fee. Former Tory Cabinet minister Esther McVey tells the Telegraph's Christopher Hope why she feels the BBC are out of touch to bring in the move during a pandemic, and also why she's wary of telling people "on yer bike!" as part of the government move to tackle obesity. 

Also on the podcast, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson, peer and Paralympic legend, on why she feels farmers and landowners should be open to making rivers and streams more accessible for swimmers, and Lord Matt Ridley on his 5 reasons to be cautiously optimistic about where we are in the pandemic. 

England's 20 best wild swimming spots, from rivers and waterfalls to tidal pools: 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/best-wild-swimming-waterfalls-rivers-tidal-pools-outdoor-lakes/

Matt Ridley - 5 reasons why the coronavirus nightmare may soon be over:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/25/5-reasons-coronavirus-nightmare-may-soon/

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