A failure to "fully grasp the nature and scale of change required". That's one of the conclusions drawn from a scathing report by the Productivity Commission on Closing the Gap between Indigenous and non-indigenous Australians.

Productivity Commissioner Romilie Mokak told RN Breakfast that "sharing power is the central story" and key to Closing the Gap. He says this requires systemic and structural change to the way governments are working.

Guest:Romilie Mokak, Productivity Commissioner