The terminal is a constant in the dev world. Every developer will interact with the terminal in one way or another. So what if they worked better? Tools within the Google Suite inspired Warp Founder Zach Lloyd to bring that same ease of collaboration to the world of terminals. And so, Warp was born.  Because you can’t avoid terminals, the implications of improving such a widely-used tool are what kept Zach going and building momentum with Warp. Zach believes in tools that solve problems vs shiny new tools winning the popularity contest. And that keeps him iterating on Warp, with the ultimate goal of improving developer workflow.  In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk with Zach about elevating developer productivity, why Zach chose Rust, how Zach classifies the best engineers, a sneak peek at Warp’s new features, and how he hopes Warp will revolutionize the developer experience.  Key Takeaways [00:50] - An introduction to Zach. [01:57] - A whiskey tasting.  [09:36] - A final whiskey review.  [13:31] - Why Zach chose to tackle the terminal.  [17:02] - Why Zach chose Rust.  [21:10] - The method behind Warp’s madness.  [29:05] - How long it took Warp to scale up.  [33:22] - What Zach learned as the interim CTO at TIME.  [37:28] - A Kanye, dogs, and sports-themed whatnot.  Quotes [15:13] - “One of the kind of root product ideas behind Warp was, could you build a version of a text-based interface that brings that same power to a much larger group of developers so it makes that power much more accessible.” ~ @zachlloydtweets [29:40] - “My general philosophy for when you’re building something like this is to try to pick the tool that’s going to get you to the best product experience. And so it’s always like working backward from what user experience is going to be best and then how do you pick the tools, and the stack, and the technology to try to achieve that.” ~ @zachlloydtweets [30:33] - “In my experience, the best engineers who I’ve worked with and who I prefer to work with are people who are seeing the technology as a tool for achieving an end-user result or for solving some problem.” ~ @zachlloydtweets Links Zach Lloyd Porsche Experience Center Warp Google Workspace Figma Stellum Bourbon Maynard James Keenan’s wine (Caduceus) Pappy Van Winkle's Whiskey Jim Beam Total Wine Seelbach’s Chuck on Twitter MGP of Indiana Heaven Hill Distillery George Dickel Whiskey Distillery Jack Daniel’s  High West Whiskey Rust iTerm Google Sheets  JavaScript iPad  Hyper Linux Virtual Studio Code JSON curl Zach’s blog Code-First vs. Product-First Hacker News React GoJS The ZBook TIME National Geographic Salesforce National Geographic Society jeen-yuhs onyx Hip-Hop Evolution Dr. Dre Beats by Dre Eminem  50 Cent Skylar Grey Moms Spaghetti Cincinnati Bengals  Squirrel Patrol The Hustle Buffalo Trace Distillery Connect with our hosts Robbie Wagner Chuck Carpenter Ship Shape Subscribe and stay in touch Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts Whiskey Web and Whatnot Top-Tier, Full-Stack Software Consultants This show is brought to you by Ship Shape. Ship Shape’s software consultants solve complex software and app development problems with top-tier coding expertise, superior service, and speed. In a sea of choices, our senior-level development crew rises above the rest by delivering the best solutions for fintech, cybersecurity, and other fast-growing industries. Check us out at shipshape.io.

The terminal is a constant in the dev world. Every developer will interact with the terminal in one way or another. So what if they worked better? Tools within the Google Suite inspired Warp Founder Zach Lloyd to bring that same ease of collaboration to the world of terminals. And so, Warp was born.  Because you can’t avoid terminals, the implications of improving such a widely-used tool are what kept Zach going and building momentum with Warp. Zach believes in tools that solve problems vs shiny new tools winning the popularity contest. And that keeps him iterating on Warp, with the ultimate goal of improving developer workflow.  In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk with Zach about elevating developer productivity, why Zach chose Rust, how Zach classifies the best engineers, a sneak peek at Warp’s new features, and how he hopes Warp will revolutionize the developer experience.  Key Takeaways [00:50] - An introduction to Zach. [01:57] - A whiskey tasting.  [09:36] - A final whiskey review.  [13:31] - Why Zach chose to tackle the terminal.  [17:02] - Why Zach chose Rust.  [21:10] - The method behind Warp’s madness.  [29:05] - How long it took Warp to scale up.  [33:22] - What Zach learned as the interim CTO at TIME.  [37:28] - A Kanye, dogs, and sports-themed whatnot.  Quotes [15:13] - “One of the kind of root product ideas behind Warp was, could you build a version of a text-based interface that brings that same power to a much larger group of developers so it makes that power much more accessible.” ~ @zachlloydtweets [29:40] - “My general philosophy for when you’re building something like this is to try to pick the tool that’s going to get you to the best product experience. And so it’s always like working backward from what user experience is going to be best and then how do you pick the tools, and the stack, and the technology to try to achieve that.” ~ @zachlloydtweets [30:33] - “In my experience, the best engineers who I’ve worked with and who I prefer to work with are people who are seeing the technology as a tool for achieving an end-user result or for solving some problem.” ~ @zachlloydtweets Links Zach Lloyd Porsche Experience Center Warp Google Workspace Figma Stellum Bourbon Maynard James Keenan’s wine (Caduceus) Pappy Van Winkle's Whiskey Jim Beam Total Wine Seelbach’s Chuck on Twitter MGP of Indiana Heaven Hill Distillery George Dickel Whiskey Distillery Jack Daniel’s  High West Whiskey Rust iTerm Google Sheets  JavaScript iPad  Hyper Linux Virtual Studio Code JSON curl Zach’s blog Code-First vs. Product-First Hacker News React GoJS The ZBook TIME National Geographic Salesforce National Geographic Society jeen-yuhs onyx Hip-Hop Evolution Dr. Dre Beats by Dre Eminem  50 Cent Skylar Grey Moms Spaghetti Cincinnati Bengals  Squirrel Patrol The Hustle Buffalo Trace Distillery Connect with our hosts Robbie Wagner Chuck Carpenter Ship Shape Subscribe and stay in touch Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts Whiskey Web and Whatnot Top-Tier, Full-Stack Software Consultants This show is brought to you by Ship Shape. Ship Shape’s software consultants solve complex software and app development problems with top-tier coding expertise, superior service, and speed. In a sea of choices, our senior-level development crew rises above the rest by delivering the best solutions for fintech, cybersecurity, and other fast-growing industries. Check us out at shipshape.io.