While we're working on the upcoming season of Kerning Cultures, we wanted to share with you another show we've been making. It's called al empire, and it tells the stories of exceptional Arabs and their journeys to the top. The show is in its second season, and in this clip from a recent episode, a voice you might already recognise: Jad Abumrad, the host of the genre-defining radio show and podcast Radiolab. Hear the full episode and more stories like this on al empire wherever you get your podcasts.   Support this podcast on patreon.com/kerningcultures for as little as $1 a month.