In this episode, Dan Runde is joined by Paul O’Brien. When this episode was recorded, Paul was the Vice President of OXFAM America and on secondment to OXFAM International to co-lead the Global Corona Virus Advocacy Task Force. He has since been hired as the Executive Director at Amnesty International USA. Dan and Paul start off their conversation by talking about Paul’s recent book Power Switch- How We Can Reverse Extreme Inequality. Dan and Paul go on to discuss why and how power switches occur during moments of deep disruption, and some of the implications of not addressing the global challenges the world is facing today. Finally, they discuss how power competition could shape the future of economics, technology, supply chains, and ultimately the way the Covid-19 pandemic is addressed.