Olivia has always been a big true crime fan, and the Up and Vanished podcast is one of her favorites. So she’s excited to be interviewing Payne Lindsey, the host of Up and Vanished, to hear about how he started one of the biggest investigative podcasts out there and how he found and decided to cover the cases of Tara Grinstead in season one and Kristal Reisinger in season two. He’s talking about how he brought attention to Tara’s case, which was silent for 12 years, and the latest developments involving arrests, and he’s opening up about the spiritual element of Kristal’s case and that strange phone call with Catfish. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices