In part 2 of this week's episode, Nilay talks with Adi Robertson about the judge's harsh questioning of Tim Cook on the last day of testimony in Epic vs Apple. Further reading: Apple said Roblox developers don’t make games, and now Roblox agrees Apple’s Phil Schiller gives Epic iPhone testimony At the Epic trial, Phil Schiller got away clean The level of Mac malware is not acceptable, says Apple’s Craig Federighi at Epic trial Apple wants users to trust iOS, but it doesn’t trust iOS users Tim Cook faces harsh questions about the App Store from judge in Fortnite trial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices