Bea, Artie, and Phil speak with Nate Holdren about how to understand the pandemic response as a site of class struggle, latent imaginaries of the state, and the power dynamics at play in the Biden administration's plans to restructure the CDC. Pre-order HEALTH COMMUNISM here: bit.ly/3Af2YaJ Read Nate's (and all of our) contributions to the Harvard Petrie-Flom Center's "Health Law and Policy in an Era of Mass Suffering" series here: https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2022/09/19/pandemic-nihilism-social-murder-and-the-banality-of-evil/ As always, support Death Panel at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Death Panel merch here (patrons get a discount code): www.deathpanel.net/merch join our Discord here: discord.com/invite/3KjKbB2