We decided to shake things up a little bit and do an extensive conversation about pain, points of view on what type of relationship we should have with pain, how we can use pain to help us learn and grow and be better, and whether there are things out there and available modalities to help us get relief without having to take medication. This is Part Two of a multi-interview series. Today is with: Doug Goldstein - a board-certified and fellowship-trained orthopedic physical therapist. Doug helped me with a torn hip labrum with homework and exercises so I did not need to get surgery. Engineer Jim Ohneck - creator of the epoch 980 laser that is proving to provide pain relief for people all around the world. Connect with Gabby @gabbyreece | Linktree For the full show notes, visit gabriellereece.com/podcast The Gabby Reece Show talks to top experts with the goal of extracting the best information you will need to navigate the universe of health, fitness, relationships, parenting, and business. Gabby keeps it simple but gets to the heart of the conversation with the hopes of providing you with realistic takeaways. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices