, nonresident fellow in the program at Brookings, discusses her new book, “,” with the director of the Brookings Institution Press, Bill Finan. Afzal explains Pakistanis’ own views on terrorist groups, jihad, and America, the relationship between Islam and the Pakistani state, and how the country could redefine its sense of nationalism without what she calls "the crutch of religion." Also in this episode, discusses the demographics of millennial generation, now the largest generation in the United States, and what implications millennials’ diversity could have on the country. Subscribe to Brookings podcasts  or on , send feedback email to , and follow us and tweet us at  on Twitter. The Brookings Cafeteria is a part of the .