Tyler Perry appeared on the Oprah Winfrey Show ten times over the years — sometimes to go deep on his traumatic past, and sometimes in over-the-top drag as Madea. It’s complicated, it’s deep, it’s messy, and we break it all down.

Special Guest: Carvell Wallace, writer and podcaster, regular contributor to The New York Times Magazine and host of the podcast “Finding Fred.”

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Producer Nina Earnest, Executive Producer Jody Avirgan. Artwork by Jonathan Conda.

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