In this straight-talking podcast brought to you by Intelligence Squared, Chris Hirst cuts through the bullsh*t and gets to the heart of modern leadership. For this episode, Chris speaks to theatre director Sir Nicholas Hytner. Previously Artistic Director of the National Theatre, his major successes include Miss Saigon, The History Boys, and One Man, Two Guvnors. Under Hytner’s leadership, the National Theatre innovated with Sunday openings, live cinema broadcasts of plays around the world, and reduced ticket prices. In 2017, he founded the Bridge Theatre, where he is currently directing Guys and Dolls. Chris and Nicholas discuss his early life in Manchester, the unique challenges of leadership in a rehearsal room, and what is needed to revitalise the arts sector in Britain. Chris Hirst is the author of the award-winning book, No Bullsh*t Leadership: Why the World Needs More Everyday Leaders and Why That Leader Is You. Chris’ latest book, No Bullsh*t Change, is published on 1 June 2023. His brand new online leadership training programme is available on his website (hirst.com">www.chris-hirst.com). Connect with Chris Hirst on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrishirst/), Twitter (@chrishirst) & Instagram (@chrishirst_leadership). Watch exclusive content and original videos from Chris Hirst on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNC4qT90ArKOuKV8B0LWTWA). This podcast was produced and edited by Isabella Soames. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices