Good morning Frank. This is Jeff McGovern the pest COACH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME for yet another appearance if you will. on the pest geek podcast. up what I wanted to discuss. briefly today. is the success rate that we’ve been having with the natures defense rodent repellent. Natures Defense Rodent Repellent Update Natures Defense Rodent Repellent System And of course we interviewed Mark Wiser R A year ago this January in reference to the product. And since then we have done a tremendous amount of work with it. And I just wanted to share that. with some of the folks out there because I think what’s happening here. is we’re seeing a serious change. in the way that rodent control can be done. And the way it can be done with a far more aggressive posture from the PMP. Because if we’re depending upon bait stations. and traps. and glue boards. essentially what we’re doing. Is a passive process. In other words we put something out and we sit back and wait. Now if we’re doing rodent exclusion maybe that’s a nudge toward something more aggressive because we’re slamming a door. But with the natures defense product what you’re doing is punching them in the face. It’s extremely effective for causing a change in the activity of a rodent population. Virtually immediately and with the PMP as we have in the field right now actually all over the United States using the product. One single thing seems to stand out and that’s the fact that once they make the application of the natures defense material they notice an immediate change. In the way the rodent population is reacting. And what I’m talking about here is sometimes they shift to a different area within the site. Other times they leave the site completely. Other times they apparently just disappear and don’t come back and other times they make repeated attempts to get back into the site. And we have to go back and punch him in the face again because the site is so incredibly attractive has a history of attracting rodents. But you know what. the material is always effective. And the other thing that you can do is take your trapping device is your glue boards and your bait stations and put those in the designated zones that you set up. With your professional PMP experience and take the population down because nature’s defense doesn’t reduce it. Nature’s defense shifts it. So in other words it allows us to be in control rather than us bowing to the control of the rodent populations as a whole. It’s an extremely effective way to deal with rodents. Now one of the other changes that’s occurred is originally. We had the material in four ounce packets and these are packets wrapped in a permeable plastic. They come in a pouch. Well normally and you open the pouch and remove the packet and the packet is your placement device. In other words it’s perfect on one end. You can hang it if you care to. And we usually say for example in an attic. you’re going to put it. maybe a foot or so off that back to the. attic. all the way around. the product. That’ll allow it to move within the space and affect the rodent. The other thing you may want to consider doing is putting it into a housing box. And traditionally the ones we’ve been using are the IBS