In 2020, for the first time on record, Michigan saw more deaths than births. And while COVID-19 certainly added to the death numbers, it wasn't the only reason for the disparity. As a state, we've been dealing with much slower growth than other parts of the country. On today's episode, we'll talk to a demographer and an economist about how that might impact the way our state--and its economy--looks in the future.  GUESTS:  Kurt Metzger, director emeritus at Data Driven Detroit  Charley Ballard, economics professor at Michigan State University Looking for more conversations from Stateside? Right this way. If you like what you hear on the pod, consider supporting our work. Stateside’s theme music is by 14KT. Additional music by Blue Dot Sessions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.