720x720.jpg"> In this episode, Mike and Mike discuss heavy metal drummer Eloy Casagrande of legendary Brazilian band Sepultura. The education segment focuses on the differences between dry and washy ride cymbals. Up for review are the Meinl Super Stack and Crasher Hats, which were designed in collaboration with endorsing artists Thomas Lang and Benny Greb. After fielding a few listener questions, the show concludes with picks of the week. Show Notes Check out Modern Drummer’s All Access Subscription  MikesLessons.com subscription pricing Eloy Casagrande Interview Meinl Super Stack and Crasher Hats Review Sponsored by Dream Cymbals and Gongs Modern Drummer Podcast With Mike and Mike is a show that explores the topics that drummers love the most. Sit in during weekly conversations between Modern Drummer managing editor, Mike Dawson, and MikesLessons.com founder and MD columnist, Mike Johnston, as they geek out on drumming technique, practice methods, and favorite exercises and offer insight on the latest gear and industry happenings. For additional episodes visit: moderndrummer.com/mikeandmikepodcast.