Mandy Patinkin (Saul Berenson for Homeland fans) talks to Ravi and Grant about why he works with the IRC to lend his voice to refugees. Mandy reflects on his travels to various refugee camps and talks passionately about the need for everyone to be involved in working for the well-being of refugees. In this interview, they get into the challenges of generating empathy, the moral obligations of those who can help, and what individuals can do to make a difference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices