In this episode of Empire, Jason is joined by two of MakerDAO's top contributors, monetsupply and Sam MacPherson, to discuss the future of MakerDAO and the DAI stablecoin. Highlights include: -- Is USDC an existential risk to MakerDAO? -- Why is Maker financing off-chain assets? -- How can DAI scale to become the de facto money of DeFi? Tune in to find out! -- (00:00) Introduction (00:18) How Big Of a Threat Are US Sanctions? (05:34) The Importance of Maker's PSM (11:30) What Is the Ideal Basket of Collateral for DAI? (18:05) Embracing Real World Asset Lending (25:20) Tokenizing Assets & the Huntington Valley Loan (28:16) Increasing Maker's Surplus Buffer (34:16) The D3M and Specialized Lending Partners (42:01) CeFi Contagion and Liquidation (44:38) Vertical Integration Across the DeFi Stack (52:02) Maker's Evolving Governance (59:57) Are A DAO's Inefficiency Tradeoffs Worth It? (1:05:04) Maker's Long-Term Vision - - Follow monetsupply: https://twitter.com/MonetSupply Follow Sam: https://twitter.com/hexonaut Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw - - Resources MakerDAO https://makerdao.com/en/ -- Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ --  Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.